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A group of power users have gotten just about peeved with Motorola and their bootloader encryption for many of their MOTOBLUR phones. (In fact, I think the only Android phone of theirs that remains unencrypted is the original Motorola DROID on Verizon. Please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.) Anywho, they’ve taken to Groubal – an online petition service – to collect virtual signatures and to spread the word.
As of the time of this posting they’ve gathered over 3,800 signatures and more are sure to be added. It’s a noble cause, but I have doubts about Motorola’s response, if any – 3,800 people is small compared to the amount of users who probably don’t care for this kind of low-level access. Still, perhaps outlets like us shining some light on the petition could help a bit.
It’s worthy to note that Motorola has already reached out to the development community and have publicly stated their intent to look at several different solutions that’ll allow both sides to meet halfway. Many of you wrote it off as PR fluff to keep the negative press and word-of-mouth at bay, though. The description on Groubal acknowledges Motorola’s previous statement and essentially serves as fire under Motorola’s figurative butt to get things moving with an official announcement about their plans.
The petition on Groubal is the biggest the site has ever seen and has featured the cause on their front page. I chose not to put too much stock into that fact, though, considering there are only 580+ petitions on the site making up for 12k+ signatures overall.
I’m also not going to hold my breath for Motorola to give in as online petitions – even those with tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of signatures – rarely work these days. (Physical petitions have all but gone the way of the dodo, too.) I do want to see Motorola live up to their word, of course, but I’m not sure a petition is going to change anything in their timeline.
We’ll be monitoring the situation closely from here on out and will be sure to let you folks know if any interesting developments unfold. Be sure to let your concerns be known over at Groubal if this is something that’s of great importance to you. [Thanks to all who sent this in!]
Last I checked, the backflip didn’t have its bootloader encrypted
well obviously you know ;) same with the cliq and cliq XT.
well obviously you know ;) same with the cliq and cliq XT.
well obviously you know ;) same with the cliq and cliq XT.
Last I checked, the backflip didn’t have its bootloader encrypted
Last I checked, the backflip didn’t have its bootloader encrypted
HTC > Motorola. The end. But I’ve heard talk of HTC locking down their bootloader as well on their newer devices…
HTC > Motorola. The end. But I’ve heard talk of HTC locking down their bootloader as well on their newer devices…
on the other hand the Motorola Xoom has an unlocked bootloader.
I have heard that Motorola plans to lock the bootloader on subsequent tablets.
I have heard that Motorola plans to lock the bootloader on subsequent tablets.
I have heard that Motorola plans to lock the bootloader on subsequent tablets.
I have heard that Motorola plans to lock the bootloader on subsequent tablets.
I have heard that Motorola plans to lock the bootloader on subsequent tablets.
I have heard that Motorola plans to lock the bootloader on subsequent tablets.
I have heard that Motorola plans to lock the bootloader on subsequent tablets.
I have heard that Motorola plans to lock the bootloader on subsequent tablets.
I have heard that Motorola plans to lock the bootloader on subsequent tablets.
I have heard that Motorola plans to lock the bootloader on subsequent tablets.
I have heard that Motorola plans to lock the bootloader on subsequent tablets.
I have heard that Motorola plans to lock the bootloader on subsequent tablets.
I have heard that Motorola plans to lock the bootloader on subsequent tablets.
on the other hand the Motorola Xoom has an unlocked bootloader.
on the other hand the Motorola Xoom has an unlocked bootloader.
Locking isn’t the same as encrypting though
Locking isn’t the same as encrypting though
Locking isn’t the same as encrypting though
Locking isn’t the same as encrypting though
HTC > Motorola. The end. But I’ve heard talk of HTC locking down their bootloader as well on their newer devices…
i have an idea, why doesnt a very small cellphone manufacturer start mass producing vanilla androids and bypass all other restrictions in the market and just sell them online and unlocked. ppl will eventually wise up.
the nexus one achieved its purpose, to stimulate competition, and boy did it. but it’s sale werent horrible. and for a small company to just sit and wait for ppl to buy – i think that might not be such a bad idea
i have an idea, why doesnt a very small cellphone manufacturer start mass producing vanilla androids and bypass all other restrictions in the market and just sell them online and unlocked. ppl will eventually wise up.
the nexus one achieved its purpose, to stimulate competition, and boy did it. but it’s sale werent horrible. and for a small company to just sit and wait for ppl to buy – i think that might not be such a bad idea
i have an idea, why doesnt a very small cellphone manufacturer start mass producing vanilla androids and bypass all other restrictions in the market and just sell them online and unlocked. ppl will eventually wise up.
the nexus one achieved its purpose, to stimulate competition, and boy did it. but it’s sale werent horrible. and for a small company to just sit and wait for ppl to buy – i think that might not be such a bad idea
I’m working with just such a small manufacturer to bring their phone to the USA. They currently sell their phones world wide and they get shipped from Spain. It is GSM and works on AT&T 3G bands.
I’m working with just such a small manufacturer to bring their phone to the USA. They currently sell their phones world wide and they get shipped from Spain. It is GSM and works on AT&T 3G bands.
I’m working with just such a small manufacturer to bring their phone to the USA. They currently sell their phones world wide and they get shipped from Spain. It is GSM and works on AT&T 3G bands.
If the specs and price points are on point I would buy it. Imagine a subsidized nexus.
If the specs and price points are on point I would buy it. Imagine a subsidized nexus.
If the specs and price points are on point I would buy it. Imagine a subsidized nexus.
go to Geeksphone.com. It is an entry level phone so don’t know if you are interested. However they are working on a higher specced phone. This one is cool however as there is already a CM7 build for it as the CM team has worked with GeeksPhone to get it there. Check them out. Currently it sells for 179 Euros and ships from Spain.
the zero looks pretty ballin to me.
the zero looks pretty ballin to me.
the zero looks pretty ballin to me.
the zero looks pretty ballin to me.
go to Geeksphone.com. It is an entry level phone so don’t know if you are interested. However they are working on a higher specced phone. This one is cool however as there is already a CM7 build for it as the CM team has worked with GeeksPhone to get it there. Check them out. Currently it sells for 179 Euros and ships from Spain.
go to Geeksphone.com. It is an entry level phone so don’t know if you are interested. However they are working on a higher specced phone. This one is cool however as there is already a CM7 build for it as the CM team has worked with GeeksPhone to get it there. Check them out. Currently it sells for 179 Euros and ships from Spain.
signed…I probably wont buy a moto phone anytime soon but I want to help all the moto fans who like customization
signed…I probably wont buy a moto phone anytime soon but I want to help all the moto fans who like customization
signed…I probably wont buy a moto phone anytime soon but I want to help all the moto fans who like customization
There is no meeting halfway. If I buy something I expect to own it, this is their attempt to prevent me from owning property I paid for. I have an OG droid now and the device that replaces it will have an unlocked bootloader.
There is no meeting halfway. If I buy something I expect to own it, this is their attempt to prevent me from owning property I paid for. I have an OG droid now and the device that replaces it will have an unlocked bootloader.
There is no meeting halfway. If I buy something I expect to own it, this is their attempt to prevent me from owning property I paid for. I have an OG droid now and the device that replaces it will have an unlocked bootloader.
You knowingly paid for a locked bootloader.
You knowingly paid for a locked bootloader.
You knowingly paid for a locked bootloader.
OG droid is bootloader unlocked. it has the efuse chip, but it was never turned on.
OG droid is bootloader unlocked. it has the efuse chip, but it was never turned on.
OG droid is bootloader unlocked. it has the efuse chip, but it was never turned on.
OG droid is bootloader unlocked. it has the efuse chip, but it was never turned on.
it wasn’t turned on on the X either however it is in HS High security mode.
I think a lot of you have no idea what you’re talking about and are getting unlocked boot loaders confused with encrypted boot loaders. Locked or encrypted BL have nothing to do with Root but with being able to replace the kernel and if you can’t replace the kernel you can only do so much customizing of the ROM.
Almost all phones have locked Bl but most can be unlocked and replaced.
Its not the moives or hulu that want it locked (how can you copy a stream anyways?) its the carriers so that they can make money with licensing agreements and forcing you to use their pay for bloat apps like VZ nav. They claim we cost them money with returns but all they’d have to do 1. supply us with he tools to fix them (ie the spf files) 2. Actually use that efue to tag the phone as root and easily not give warranty service. But they actually do the opposite so I call BS. They really want to stop tethering so that they can sell you a 3g package for every device you may own.
Even with the encrypted bl on the X we were able to do a lot of customizing, just not enough :-)
The bad news is I think we’ll see more of this stuff in the future. I at least that carriers offer phones like the xoom that if you agree to it you can unlock it but you no longer have a warranty and they know it and will treat you accordingly.
The problem with selling devices unlocked and carrier free is price. Widespread adoption is pretty tough to come by when a phone is $600. I know that I would never be able to afford a new smartphone without the “discounted” upfront pricing for a contract. Even with all the other options for selling back your current phone to gazelle, verizon, target, best buy etc… an unlocked phone is still too expensive.
In order to get the price down, manufacturers would have to cut features and put in less powerful hardware, making it a less attractive option anyway.
I hope someone figures out how to do it though, because it would really stick it to the carriers.
The issue isn’t to sell unlocked carrier-free phones, as much as it is to have the bootloader unlocked, so that people that root their phones don’t have to wait for OTA updates to udate their phone, say, from FroYo to Gingerbread. My G1 got support way past Donut, where support was officially dropped, because of a non locked bootloader. If there were no more updates for my Droid X, and the bootloader was still locked, I would not have any more support other than roms on that build.
The issue isn’t to sell unlocked carrier-free phones, as much as it is to have the bootloader unlocked, so that people that root their phones don’t have to wait for OTA updates to udate their phone, say, from FroYo to Gingerbread. My G1 got support way past Donut, where support was officially dropped, because of a non locked bootloader. If there were no more updates for my Droid X, and the bootloader was still locked, I would not have any more support other than roms on that build.
The issue isn’t to sell unlocked carrier-free phones, as much as it is to have the bootloader unlocked, so that people that root their phones don’t have to wait for OTA updates to udate their phone, say, from FroYo to Gingerbread. My G1 got support way past Donut, where support was officially dropped, because of a non locked bootloader. If there were no more updates for my Droid X, and the bootloader was still locked, I would not have any more support other than roms on that build.
The problem with selling devices unlocked and carrier free is price. Widespread adoption is pretty tough to come by when a phone is $600. I know that I would never be able to afford a new smartphone without the “discounted” upfront pricing for a contract. Even with all the other options for selling back your current phone to gazelle, verizon, target, best buy etc… an unlocked phone is still too expensive.
In order to get the price down, manufacturers would have to cut features and put in less powerful hardware, making it a less attractive option anyway.
I hope someone figures out how to do it though, because it would really stick it to the carriers.
The problem with selling devices unlocked and carrier free is price. Widespread adoption is pretty tough to come by when a phone is $600. I know that I would never be able to afford a new smartphone without the “discounted” upfront pricing for a contract. Even with all the other options for selling back your current phone to gazelle, verizon, target, best buy etc… an unlocked phone is still too expensive.
In order to get the price down, manufacturers would have to cut features and put in less powerful hardware, making it a less attractive option anyway.
I hope someone figures out how to do it though, because it would really stick it to the carriers.
up to 4157 now
up to 4157 now
up to 4157 now
Why just Moto?
Why not all OEM’s that use Android?
Why not also ask for an option for an optimized stock Android for all major devices released?
Why just Moto?
Why not all OEM’s that use Android?
Why not also ask for an option for an optimized stock Android for all major devices released?
Why just Moto?
Why not all OEM’s that use Android?
Why not also ask for an option for an optimized stock Android for all major devices released?
Petitions don’t do sh!t to begin with and 3800 is only going to get you laughed at like the nerdy fat little red headed stepchild. But this is Motorola so who cares. quack quack
Petitions don’t do sh!t to begin with and 3800 is only going to get you laughed at like the nerdy fat little red headed stepchild. But this is Motorola so who cares. quack quack
Petitions don’t do sh!t to begin with and 3800 is only going to get you laughed at like the nerdy fat little red headed stepchild. But this is Motorola so who cares. quack quack
Online petitions are pointless. You vote with your wallet. All this tells Moto is that modders are frustrated that they can’t break the encryption and are changing tactics. It’s going to be seen as a white flag, and with so few signers, ignored.
Online petitions are pointless. You vote with your wallet. All this tells Moto is that modders are frustrated that they can’t break the encryption and are changing tactics. It’s going to be seen as a white flag, and with so few signers, ignored.
Online petitions are pointless. You vote with your wallet. All this tells Moto is that modders are frustrated that they can’t break the encryption and are changing tactics. It’s going to be seen as a white flag, and with so few signers, ignored.
I don’t have any high hopes. I believe the reason why encrypted bootloaders are is content protection. And not the content of your android system, but the content of the future Netflix/Hulu/etc. App.
Movie Studios don’t want their movies to be copied, therefore before they license their Movies to Netflix and co, Netflix must assure that they use good DRM. DRM works best when the user has only limited rights and is less effective when the user is able to tinker with the system. Ergo, Netflix pressures the manufactures into making their phones hack-proofed. The Manufactures comply, because 95% of all user don’t really want to use root, they want to use Netflix if it is available and they will get angry if they don’t get it.
So we all end up with locked down devices.
The same game was played with Samsung TVs. Until 2010 they were very hackable, but then Samsung had to implement the CI+ encryption in their TVs and therefore had to lock down their systems so that they could comply with the CI+ certification
I don’t have any high hopes. I believe the reason why encrypted bootloaders are is content protection. And not the content of your android system, but the content of the future Netflix/Hulu/etc. App.
Movie Studios don’t want their movies to be copied, therefore before they license their Movies to Netflix and co, Netflix must assure that they use good DRM. DRM works best when the user has only limited rights and is less effective when the user is able to tinker with the system. Ergo, Netflix pressures the manufactures into making their phones hack-proofed. The Manufactures comply, because 95% of all user don’t really want to use root, they want to use Netflix if it is available and they will get angry if they don’t get it.
So we all end up with locked down devices.
The same game was played with Samsung TVs. Until 2010 they were very hackable, but then Samsung had to implement the CI+ encryption in their TVs and therefore had to lock down their systems so that they could comply with the CI+ certification
So, what might happen is something like Netflix being exclusive to Motorola phones if Netflix folks believe its unhackable or hacker unfriendly?
I think Motorola would take that ANY day over non encrypted boot loaders. I feel Motorola is aiming to take on Blackberry head on for their space in the corporate wold.
Again, a corporate account with all Motorola phones or non encrypted bootloader…I think they would take Door #1.
Although, the iPhone is making its way into corporate America, and its more unlocked than the DX, D2 and Milestone.
So, what might happen is something like Netflix being exclusive to Motorola phones if Netflix folks believe its unhackable or hacker unfriendly?
I think Motorola would take that ANY day over non encrypted boot loaders. I feel Motorola is aiming to take on Blackberry head on for their space in the corporate wold.
Again, a corporate account with all Motorola phones or non encrypted bootloader…I think they would take Door #1.
Although, the iPhone is making its way into corporate America, and its more unlocked than the DX, D2 and Milestone.
So, what might happen is something like Netflix being exclusive to Motorola phones if Netflix folks believe its unhackable or hacker unfriendly?
I think Motorola would take that ANY day over non encrypted boot loaders. I feel Motorola is aiming to take on Blackberry head on for their space in the corporate wold.
Again, a corporate account with all Motorola phones or non encrypted bootloader…I think they would take Door #1.
Although, the iPhone is making its way into corporate America, and its more unlocked than the DX, D2 and Milestone.
I don’t have any high hopes. I believe the reason why encrypted bootloaders are is content protection. And not the content of your android system, but the content of the future Netflix/Hulu/etc. App.
Movie Studios don’t want their movies to be copied, therefore before they license their Movies to Netflix and co, Netflix must assure that they use good DRM. DRM works best when the user has only limited rights and is less effective when the user is able to tinker with the system. Ergo, Netflix pressures the manufactures into making their phones hack-proofed. The Manufactures comply, because 95% of all user don’t really want to use root, they want to use Netflix if it is available and they will get angry if they don’t get it.
So we all end up with locked down devices.
The same game was played with Samsung TVs. Until 2010 they were very hackable, but then Samsung had to implement the CI+ encryption in their TVs and therefore had to lock down their systems so that they could comply with the CI+ certification
Hey I signed. The worse that can happen is….nothing.
Hey I signed. The worse that can happen is….nothing.
Hey I signed. The worse that can happen is….nothing.
No petition is needed. Just don’t buy Motorola….that’s all
Xoom is unlocked.
Xoom is unlocked.
Xoom is unlocked.
Xoom is unlocked.
Xoom is a Google flagship device for developers, much like the orginal Moto Droid was. If Motorola had their way, it would be encypted and have Blur.
Xoom is a Google flagship device for developers, much like the orginal Moto Droid was. If Motorola had their way, it would be encypted and have Blur.
Xoom is a Google flagship device for developers, much like the orginal Moto Droid was. If Motorola had their way, it would be encypted and have Blur.
Xoom is a Google flagship device for developers, much like the orginal Moto Droid was. If Motorola had their way, it would be encypted and have Blur.
Moto is one of the best out there, other companies lock their boots too, HTC is locking them also now.
If dont like moto just help friends who has great devices from moto get free and dont say stupid things man!
Moto is one of the best out there, other companies lock their boots too, HTC is locking them also now.
If dont like moto just help friends who has great devices from moto get free and dont say stupid things man!
Locking the bootloader and digitally encrypting are two different things. VERY DIFFERENT things. Note: the G2, EVO Shift, Thunderbolt all had locked bootloaders and were rooted within a couple months – (TBolt in less than 1 week).
Have any of the MOTO devices been freed? No. HTC is just doing enough to satisfy the carriers but not alienate the modding community.
MOTO is ONLY satisfying the carriers. (Notice they’re devices are only on ATT and Verizon – both control freak carriers)
Locking the bootloader and digitally encrypting are two different things. VERY DIFFERENT things. Note: the G2, EVO Shift, Thunderbolt all had locked bootloaders and were rooted within a couple months – (TBolt in less than 1 week).
Have any of the MOTO devices been freed? No. HTC is just doing enough to satisfy the carriers but not alienate the modding community.
MOTO is ONLY satisfying the carriers. (Notice they’re devices are only on ATT and Verizon – both control freak carriers)
Locking the bootloader and digitally encrypting are two different things. VERY DIFFERENT things. Note: the G2, EVO Shift, Thunderbolt all had locked bootloaders and were rooted within a couple months – (TBolt in less than 1 week).
Have any of the MOTO devices been freed? No. HTC is just doing enough to satisfy the carriers but not alienate the modding community.
MOTO is ONLY satisfying the carriers. (Notice they’re devices are only on ATT and Verizon – both control freak carriers)
Locking the bootloader and digitally encrypting are two different things. VERY DIFFERENT things. Note: the G2, EVO Shift, Thunderbolt all had locked bootloaders and were rooted within a couple months – (TBolt in less than 1 week).
Have any of the MOTO devices been freed? No. HTC is just doing enough to satisfy the carriers but not alienate the modding community.
MOTO is ONLY satisfying the carriers. (Notice they’re devices are only on ATT and Verizon – both control freak carriers)
You could do that, but then they might not know the reason for people not buying their product. Maybe it’s because their phones are ugly or because they aren’t fast enough. The point of the petition is that people like Motorola phones but they want more freedom with them. I think the petition is necessary.
You could do that, but then they might not know the reason for people not buying their product. Maybe it’s because their phones are ugly or because they aren’t fast enough. The point of the petition is that people like Motorola phones but they want more freedom with them. I think the petition is necessary.
You could do that, but then they might not know the reason for people not buying their product. Maybe it’s because their phones are ugly or because they aren’t fast enough. The point of the petition is that people like Motorola phones but they want more freedom with them. I think the petition is necessary.
You could do that, but then they might not know the reason for people not buying their product. Maybe it’s because their phones are ugly or because they aren’t fast enough. The point of the petition is that people like Motorola phones but they want more freedom with them. I think the petition is necessary.
No petition is needed. Just don’t buy Motorola….that’s all
No petition is needed. Just don’t buy Motorola….that’s all
I signed the petition for whatever it’s worth. I loved the OG Droid. Whether you love or hate Moto and Big Red, that phone very quickly put Android solidly on the map. They were virtually unbrickable, had tons of support, but weren’t great in the memory department. Then, Moto released the Droid 2 and it addressed the memory and keyboard layout issue – and had an encrypted bootloader meaning that you were at the mercy of Moto and VZW for an update, while I was running Froyo on my OG Droid months before it was officialy released for it. I have zero interest in the Droid Bionic due to the encrypted bootloader. I don’t care if it’s a 16-core phone, encrypted bootloader=no sale. I vote with my wallet as well.
I signed the petition for whatever it’s worth. I loved the OG Droid. Whether you love or hate Moto and Big Red, that phone very quickly put Android solidly on the map. They were virtually unbrickable, had tons of support, but weren’t great in the memory department. Then, Moto released the Droid 2 and it addressed the memory and keyboard layout issue – and had an encrypted bootloader meaning that you were at the mercy of Moto and VZW for an update, while I was running Froyo on my OG Droid months before it was officialy released for it. I have zero interest in the Droid Bionic due to the encrypted bootloader. I don’t care if it’s a 16-core phone, encrypted bootloader=no sale. I vote with my wallet as well.
I signed the petition for whatever it’s worth. I loved the OG Droid. Whether you love or hate Moto and Big Red, that phone very quickly put Android solidly on the map. They were virtually unbrickable, had tons of support, but weren’t great in the memory department. Then, Moto released the Droid 2 and it addressed the memory and keyboard layout issue – and had an encrypted bootloader meaning that you were at the mercy of Moto and VZW for an update, while I was running Froyo on my OG Droid months before it was officialy released for it. I have zero interest in the Droid Bionic due to the encrypted bootloader. I don’t care if it’s a 16-core phone, encrypted bootloader=no sale. I vote with my wallet as well.
I signed the petition for whatever it’s worth. I loved the OG Droid. Whether you love or hate Moto and Big Red, that phone very quickly put Android solidly on the map. They were virtually unbrickable, had tons of support, but weren’t great in the memory department. Then, Moto released the Droid 2 and it addressed the memory and keyboard layout issue – and had an encrypted bootloader meaning that you were at the mercy of Moto and VZW for an update, while I was running Froyo on my OG Droid months before it was officialy released for it. I have zero interest in the Droid Bionic due to the encrypted bootloader. I don’t care if it’s a 16-core phone, encrypted bootloader=no sale. I vote with my wallet as well.
What the consumer would need to do is collect thousands of receipts of people that wanted a Motorola phone but bought an HTC because of the locked bootloader Moto has.
What the consumer would need to do is collect thousands of receipts of people that wanted a Motorola phone but bought an HTC because of the locked bootloader Moto has.
What the consumer would need to do is collect thousands of receipts of people that wanted a Motorola phone but bought an HTC because of the locked bootloader Moto has.
What the consumer would need to do is collect thousands of receipts of people that wanted a Motorola phone but bought an HTC because of the locked bootloader Moto has.
Has anyone seen an official response from Motorola on why they are doing this? All I’ve heard is opinions and educated guesses from blogs and what not. I just want to be able to look at this from their viewpoint.
Has anyone seen an official response from Motorola on why they are doing this? All I’ve heard is opinions and educated guesses from blogs and what not. I just want to be able to look at this from their viewpoint.
Has anyone seen an official response from Motorola on why they are doing this? All I’ve heard is opinions and educated guesses from blogs and what not. I just want to be able to look at this from their viewpoint.
It’s about money. On one hand, they want to protect any proprietary software on their phones. They also want to stifle counterfeiters: if the s/w was unencrypted, it could be extracted and flashed onto knock-off phones. Carriers want to be able to pre-install certain apps (what some call bloatware), and there can be licensing fees involved. Finally, if the phones were unlocked, there’d be much more flashing of custom roms and bricking of phones which would then be returned (fraudulently) as “defective”. Controlling all of these things helps keep costs down, which benefits both the company and the consumer.
If the s/w was wide open, modders would be happy but would complain incessantly about the much higher price (and probably not buy because of that), and general consumers would buy fewer phones.
It’s about money. On one hand, they want to protect any proprietary software on their phones. They also want to stifle counterfeiters: if the s/w was unencrypted, it could be extracted and flashed onto knock-off phones. Carriers want to be able to pre-install certain apps (what some call bloatware), and there can be licensing fees involved. Finally, if the phones were unlocked, there’d be much more flashing of custom roms and bricking of phones which would then be returned (fraudulently) as “defective”. Controlling all of these things helps keep costs down, which benefits both the company and the consumer.
If the s/w was wide open, modders would be happy but would complain incessantly about the much higher price (and probably not buy because of that), and general consumers would buy fewer phones.
It’s about money. On one hand, they want to protect any proprietary software on their phones. They also want to stifle counterfeiters: if the s/w was unencrypted, it could be extracted and flashed onto knock-off phones. Carriers want to be able to pre-install certain apps (what some call bloatware), and there can be licensing fees involved. Finally, if the phones were unlocked, there’d be much more flashing of custom roms and bricking of phones which would then be returned (fraudulently) as “defective”. Controlling all of these things helps keep costs down, which benefits both the company and the consumer.
If the s/w was wide open, modders would be happy but would complain incessantly about the much higher price (and probably not buy because of that), and general consumers would buy fewer phones.
Sure it’s about money and that’s ok…they are a business afterall. Supposedly their are legal agreements with carriers that have to be taken into account as well. It’d be nice if Moto published a press release outlining the various cost reasons and state some statistics, as well as describe the legal reasons why. It would help understand why they are failing in PR on this and why they are so stubborn. The OG Droid brought them from the brink and they’ve abandoned what the Droid is. Seems that high sales of a phone model would offset the cost of returns, but I don’t have anything to base that off. I agree that the bloatware agreements have to play a significant part in this. But then I think Apple…no bloatware. It just baffles me.
Sure it’s about money and that’s ok…they are a business afterall. Supposedly their are legal agreements with carriers that have to be taken into account as well. It’d be nice if Moto published a press release outlining the various cost reasons and state some statistics, as well as describe the legal reasons why. It would help understand why they are failing in PR on this and why they are so stubborn. The OG Droid brought them from the brink and they’ve abandoned what the Droid is. Seems that high sales of a phone model would offset the cost of returns, but I don’t have anything to base that off. I agree that the bloatware agreements have to play a significant part in this. But then I think Apple…no bloatware. It just baffles me.
Sure it’s about money and that’s ok…they are a business afterall. Supposedly their are legal agreements with carriers that have to be taken into account as well. It’d be nice if Moto published a press release outlining the various cost reasons and state some statistics, as well as describe the legal reasons why. It would help understand why they are failing in PR on this and why they are so stubborn. The OG Droid brought them from the brink and they’ve abandoned what the Droid is. Seems that high sales of a phone model would offset the cost of returns, but I don’t have anything to base that off. I agree that the bloatware agreements have to play a significant part in this. But then I think Apple…no bloatware. It just baffles me.
Sure it’s about money and that’s ok…they are a business afterall. Supposedly their are legal agreements with carriers that have to be taken into account as well. It’d be nice if Moto published a press release outlining the various cost reasons and state some statistics, as well as describe the legal reasons why. It would help understand why they are failing in PR on this and why they are so stubborn. The OG Droid brought them from the brink and they’ve abandoned what the Droid is. Seems that high sales of a phone model would offset the cost of returns, but I don’t have anything to base that off. I agree that the bloatware agreements have to play a significant part in this. But then I think Apple…no bloatware. It just baffles me.
Sure it’s about money and that’s ok…they are a business afterall. Supposedly their are legal agreements with carriers that have to be taken into account as well. It’d be nice if Moto published a press release outlining the various cost reasons and state some statistics, as well as describe the legal reasons why. It would help understand why they are failing in PR on this and why they are so stubborn. The OG Droid brought them from the brink and they’ve abandoned what the Droid is. Seems that high sales of a phone model would offset the cost of returns, but I don’t have anything to base that off. I agree that the bloatware agreements have to play a significant part in this. But then I think Apple…no bloatware. It just baffles me.
Sure it’s about money and that’s ok…they are a business afterall. Supposedly their are legal agreements with carriers that have to be taken into account as well. It’d be nice if Moto published a press release outlining the various cost reasons and state some statistics, as well as describe the legal reasons why. It would help understand why they are failing in PR on this and why they are so stubborn. The OG Droid brought them from the brink and they’ve abandoned what the Droid is. Seems that high sales of a phone model would offset the cost of returns, but I don’t have anything to base that off. I agree that the bloatware agreements have to play a significant part in this. But then I think Apple…no bloatware. It just baffles me.
It’s about money. On one hand, they want to protect any proprietary software on their phones. They also want to stifle counterfeiters: if the s/w was unencrypted, it could be extracted and flashed onto knock-off phones. Carriers want to be able to pre-install certain apps (what some call bloatware), and there can be licensing fees involved. Finally, if the phones were unlocked, there’d be much more flashing of custom roms and bricking of phones which would then be returned (fraudulently) as “defective”. Controlling all of these things helps keep costs down, which benefits both the company and the consumer.
If the s/w was wide open, modders would be happy but would complain incessantly about the much higher price (and probably not buy because of that), and general consumers would buy fewer phones.
Has anyone seen an official response from Motorola on why they are doing this? All I’ve heard is opinions and educated guesses from blogs and what not. I just want to be able to look at this from their viewpoint.
Guessing that phandroid had some impact, the total signed is at 5400+ already.
Guessing that phandroid had some impact, the total signed is at 5400+ already.
As far as not buying a Moto phone again because of this: To me battery life and reception are more important to me than custom ROMs. Call me crazy…
Yea custom kernels can help with battery life, but isnt much you can do about reception.
I am kinda looking past the Bionc and Atrix and looking at the GS II, LG 2X and LG 3D…and part of it is the bootloader issue. I didnt mention HTC cuz the only thing from them I like right now is the EVO 3D and Sprint sucks in my area.
BUT, if battery life and reception isnt how I like it, I will be getting a Moto phone as my next phone.
As far as not buying a Moto phone again because of this: To me battery life and reception are more important to me than custom ROMs. Call me crazy…
Yea custom kernels can help with battery life, but isnt much you can do about reception.
I am kinda looking past the Bionc and Atrix and looking at the GS II, LG 2X and LG 3D…and part of it is the bootloader issue. I didnt mention HTC cuz the only thing from them I like right now is the EVO 3D and Sprint sucks in my area.
BUT, if battery life and reception isnt how I like it, I will be getting a Moto phone as my next phone.
As far as not buying a Moto phone again because of this: To me battery life and reception are more important to me than custom ROMs. Call me crazy…
Yea custom kernels can help with battery life, but isnt much you can do about reception.
I am kinda looking past the Bionc and Atrix and looking at the GS II, LG 2X and LG 3D…and part of it is the bootloader issue. I didnt mention HTC cuz the only thing from them I like right now is the EVO 3D and Sprint sucks in my area.
BUT, if battery life and reception isnt how I like it, I will be getting a Moto phone as my next phone.
As far as not buying a Moto phone again because of this: To me battery life and reception are more important to me than custom ROMs. Call me crazy…
Yea custom kernels can help with battery life, but isnt much you can do about reception.
I am kinda looking past the Bionc and Atrix and looking at the GS II, LG 2X and LG 3D…and part of it is the bootloader issue. I didnt mention HTC cuz the only thing from them I like right now is the EVO 3D and Sprint sucks in my area.
BUT, if battery life and reception isnt how I like it, I will be getting a Moto phone as my next phone.
As far as not buying a Moto phone again because of this: To me battery life and reception are more important to me than custom ROMs. Call me crazy…
Yea custom kernels can help with battery life, but isnt much you can do about reception.
I am kinda looking past the Bionc and Atrix and looking at the GS II, LG 2X and LG 3D…and part of it is the bootloader issue. I didnt mention HTC cuz the only thing from them I like right now is the EVO 3D and Sprint sucks in my area.
BUT, if battery life and reception isnt how I like it, I will be getting a Moto phone as my next phone.
As far as not buying a Moto phone again because of this: To me battery life and reception are more important to me than custom ROMs. Call me crazy…
Yea custom kernels can help with battery life, but isnt much you can do about reception.
I am kinda looking past the Bionc and Atrix and looking at the GS II, LG 2X and LG 3D…and part of it is the bootloader issue. I didnt mention HTC cuz the only thing from them I like right now is the EVO 3D and Sprint sucks in my area.
BUT, if battery life and reception isnt how I like it, I will be getting a Moto phone as my next phone.
As far as not buying a Moto phone again because of this: To me battery life and reception are more important to me than custom ROMs. Call me crazy…
Yea custom kernels can help with battery life, but isnt much you can do about reception.
I am kinda looking past the Bionc and Atrix and looking at the GS II, LG 2X and LG 3D…and part of it is the bootloader issue. I didnt mention HTC cuz the only thing from them I like right now is the EVO 3D and Sprint sucks in my area.
BUT, if battery life and reception isnt how I like it, I will be getting a Moto phone as my next phone.
As far as not buying a Moto phone again because of this: To me battery life and reception are more important to me than custom ROMs. Call me crazy…
Yea custom kernels can help with battery life, but isnt much you can do about reception.
I am kinda looking past the Bionc and Atrix and looking at the GS II, LG 2X and LG 3D…and part of it is the bootloader issue. I didnt mention HTC cuz the only thing from them I like right now is the EVO 3D and Sprint sucks in my area.
BUT, if battery life and reception isnt how I like it, I will be getting a Moto phone as my next phone.
i have a cliq 2 and while i love the processor on it, i despise blur because it bogs down the opperating system. if i could get a blur-less stock android 2.2 on it i would love it. honestly i think the sidekick 4g will have CM on it within the month of its release.
i have a cliq 2 and while i love the processor on it, i despise blur because it bogs down the opperating system. if i could get a blur-less stock android 2.2 on it i would love it. honestly i think the sidekick 4g will have CM on it within the month of its release.
i have a cliq 2 and while i love the processor on it, i despise blur because it bogs down the opperating system. if i could get a blur-less stock android 2.2 on it i would love it. honestly i think the sidekick 4g will have CM on it within the month of its release.
i have a cliq 2 and while i love the processor on it, i despise blur because it bogs down the opperating system. if i could get a blur-less stock android 2.2 on it i would love it. honestly i think the sidekick 4g will have CM on it within the month of its release.
i have a cliq 2 and while i love the processor on it, i despise blur because it bogs down the opperating system. if i could get a blur-less stock android 2.2 on it i would love it. honestly i think the sidekick 4g will have CM on it within the month of its release.
i have a cliq 2 and while i love the processor on it, i despise blur because it bogs down the opperating system. if i could get a blur-less stock android 2.2 on it i would love it. honestly i think the sidekick 4g will have CM on it within the month of its release.
I signed, but I’m already looking into other phones that don’t try to hold my hand and tell me no!