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	<title>Comments on: Motorola Responds to eFuse and Bootloader Talk: Doesn&#8217;t Brick, But Still Just as Useless</title>
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		<title>By: patronanejo</title>
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		<dc:creator>patronanejo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 08:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh...so YOU&#039;RE the asshole driving the Porsche at the speed limit!

The essence of open-source is organized resistance to the crippling effects of runaway proprietary claims over otherwise useful and highly-capable technology. The combative comments here in evidence are like an allergic reaction to a paradigm this community exists to subvert: Motorola is asserting walled-garden protectionism over hardware that owes its existence to a passionate distaste for that very behavior.

Putting up roadblocks to exploration won&#039;t prevent it--it just makes the stakes higher for everyone while helping exactly no-one. Motorola&#039;s bottom line would be better-served by leaving the bootloader wide open and including a utility on the driver disc--or on their web site--that can flash a factory-fresh recovery ROM over USB: Fix it yourself, cause we ain&#039;t fixin&#039; it for you. Most of us know that Motorola/Verizon doesn&#039;t owe us any help if we get into trouble messing around inside the black box. Anybody that would leap in without planning his way out doesn&#039;t doesn&#039;t deserve the charity of service under warranty; no-one here thinks otherwise.

Corporate hypocrites talk about freedom like they own it, but flag-waving is all they really understand...every opportunity they get they try to infect others with their sense of moral obligation to obey authority. If you like going through life without having to think about anything, go get an iPhone and buy the Fox News app. You don&#039;t get to support those who would take away our right to think for ourselves. Not here, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh&hellip;so YOU&rsquo;RE the asshole driving the Porsche at the speed limit!</p>
<p>The essence of open-source is organized resistance to the crippling effects of runaway proprietary claims over otherwise useful and highly-capable technology. The combative comments here in evidence are like an allergic reaction to a paradigm this community exists to subvert: Motorola is asserting walled-garden protectionism over hardware that owes its existence to a passionate distaste for that very behavior.</p>
<p>Putting up roadblocks to exploration won&rsquo;t prevent it&ndash;it just makes the stakes higher for everyone while helping exactly no-one. Motorola&rsquo;s bottom line would be better-served by leaving the bootloader wide open and including a utility on the driver disc&ndash;or on their web site&ndash;that can flash a factory-fresh recovery ROM over USB: Fix it yourself, cause we ain&rsquo;t fixin&rsquo; it for you. Most of us know that Motorola/Verizon doesn&rsquo;t owe us any help if we get into trouble messing around inside the black box. Anybody that would leap in without planning his way out doesn&rsquo;t doesn&rsquo;t deserve the charity of service under warranty; no-one here thinks otherwise.</p>
<p>Corporate hypocrites talk about freedom like they own it, but flag-waving is all they really understand&hellip;every opportunity they get they try to infect others with their sense of moral obligation to obey authority. If you like going through life without having to think about anything, go get an iPhone and buy the Fox News app. You don&rsquo;t get to support those who would take away our right to think for ourselves. Not here, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Kojeje</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2010/07/16/motorola-responds-to-efuse-and-bootloader-talk-doesnt-brick-but-still-just-as-useless/#comment-170842</link>
		<dc:creator>Kojeje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 05:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great phone...!
I saw the Google there..
Is this Google product too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great phone&#8230;!<br />
I saw the Google there..<br />
Is this Google product too?</p>
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		<title>By: Adi</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2010/07/16/motorola-responds-to-efuse-and-bootloader-talk-doesnt-brick-but-still-just-as-useless/#comment-170802</link>
		<dc:creator>Adi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 03:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can not brick your phone by flashing a ROM as long you as you dont flash SPL(boot loader) or ANTENNA. As far as MOTO goes they just want to be in control because when android 2.3 comes out they will tell you that you have to buy new phone because droid x can not run it. If I spend $200 on the phone and sign contract for 2 years I want my phone to be up to date, and if I have a root I can do that my self since MOTOROLA is not going to do it. Proof is that they are releasing &quot;best android phone&quot; and it is running ECLAIR 2.1 HA HA I have 1 year old MyTouch and I&#039;m running very stable version of FROYO 2.2.......IT IS ALL ABOUT CONTROL AND ANDROID IS OPEN SOURCE OS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can not brick your phone by flashing a ROM as long you as you dont flash SPL(boot loader) or ANTENNA. As far as MOTO goes they just want to be in control because when android 2.3 comes out they will tell you that you have to buy new phone because droid x can not run it. If I spend $200 on the phone and sign contract for 2 years I want my phone to be up to date, and if I have a root I can do that my self since MOTOROLA is not going to do it. Proof is that they are releasing &ldquo;best android phone&rdquo; and it is running ECLAIR 2.1 HA HA I have 1 year old MyTouch and I&rsquo;m running very stable version of FROYO 2.2&hellip;&hellip;.IT IS ALL ABOUT CONTROL AND ANDROID IS OPEN SOURCE OS.</p>
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		<title>By: OpenMind</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2010/07/16/motorola-responds-to-efuse-and-bootloader-talk-doesnt-brick-but-still-just-as-useless/#comment-170783</link>
		<dc:creator>OpenMind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 01:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Droid handset manufacturers haven&#039;t cottoned onto choice.

If they are going to lock us out at the bootstraps then they should at least give droid users the choice of swapping a vanilla rom.

Android moves fast they want their hardware to age prematurely = the landfill evil.

They are simply loosing the sales of us people who understand reusability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Droid handset manufacturers haven&rsquo;t cottoned onto choice.</p>
<p>If they are going to lock us out at the bootstraps then they should at least give droid users the choice of swapping a vanilla rom.</p>
<p>Android moves fast they want their hardware to age prematurely = the landfill evil.</p>
<p>They are simply loosing the sales of us people who understand reusability.</p>
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		<title>By: honkj</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2010/07/16/motorola-responds-to-efuse-and-bootloader-talk-doesnt-brick-but-still-just-as-useless/#comment-170763</link>
		<dc:creator>honkj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>---------------------------------
Why are all corporations control freak?
Why can’t they just let us go?
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because you (the user) is stupid,  case in point,  Windows users,  20% to 50% have malware installed on their systems,  and don&#039;t even know it...   5% to 20% of users,  will fall for a phishing scam sometime in the next 2 years...   

98% of all users get junk email,  when they don&#039;t have to. yet they don&#039;t have to without ever using any type of filter or security software. (worse 20% or more click on the crap,  even though it ensures they will receive even more junk email)

and worst of all,  20% of all applications in the Android&#039;s app store collect personal information from you the user that can possibly be used to drain your bank accounts of everything you have....

you dumb **(*s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&mdash;&mdash;&mdash;&mdash;&mdash;&mdash;&mdash;&mdash;&mdash;&mdash;&mdash;<br>
Why are all corporations control freak?<br>
Why can&rsquo;t they just let us go?<br>
&mdash;&mdash;&mdash;&mdash;&mdash;&mdash;&mdash;&ndash;</p>
<p>because you (the user) is stupid,  case in point,  Windows users,  20% to 50% have malware installed on their systems,  and don&rsquo;t even know it&hellip;   5% to 20% of users,  will fall for a phishing scam sometime in the next 2 years&hellip;   </p>
<p>98% of all users get junk email,  when they don&rsquo;t have to. yet they don&rsquo;t have to without ever using any type of filter or security software. (worse 20% or more click on the crap,  even though it ensures they will receive even more junk email)</p>
<p>and worst of all,  20% of all applications in the Android&rsquo;s app store collect personal information from you the user that can possibly be used to drain your bank accounts of everything you have&hellip;.</p>
<p>you dumb **(*s</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2010/07/16/motorola-responds-to-efuse-and-bootloader-talk-doesnt-brick-but-still-just-as-useless/#comment-170754</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 22:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If for one support the locking of the ROM. It&#039;ll stop me from flashing, reflashing, wiping and flashing again all the bloody time! :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If for one support the locking of the ROM. It&rsquo;ll stop me from flashing, reflashing, wiping and flashing again all the bloody time! :P</p>
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		<title>By: earmuffs</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2010/07/16/motorola-responds-to-efuse-and-bootloader-talk-doesnt-brick-but-still-just-as-useless/#comment-170547</link>
		<dc:creator>earmuffs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 07:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Open platform should be open. Seems to me Droid DOES NOT! Encrypted bootloader is why I went with HTC EVO 4G and might move to Samsung epic shame I was gonna buy Droid X and be on Verizon so BS cost both companys money. It was good for me though cause HTC rock like a MOFO and Verizon sucks whale ummm... I love my sprint service although in my area data is 600kilobits per second slower than US cellular @ 1.5mbit downstream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Open platform should be open. Seems to me Droid DOES NOT! Encrypted bootloader is why I went with HTC EVO 4G and might move to Samsung epic shame I was gonna buy Droid X and be on Verizon so BS cost both companys money. It was good for me though cause HTC rock like a MOFO and Verizon sucks whale ummm&hellip; I love my sprint service although in my area data is 600kilobits per second slower than US cellular @ 1.5mbit downstream.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2010/07/16/motorola-responds-to-efuse-and-bootloader-talk-doesnt-brick-but-still-just-as-useless/#comment-170430</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 22:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jared, Why on earth would you want to?  Recovery mode means the phone is sitting in a mode where it can do nothing except be flashed with a new ROM.  It acts as though the phone is blank, no ROM code at all.  You can do that, but what good will it do you?  Anyone with the right tools can probably flash the ROM, but creating a ROM that the bootloader with see as valid?  Best of luck with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jared, Why on earth would you want to?  Recovery mode means the phone is sitting in a mode where it can do nothing except be flashed with a new ROM.  It acts as though the phone is blank, no ROM code at all.  You can do that, but what good will it do you?  Anyone with the right tools can probably flash the ROM, but creating a ROM that the bootloader with see as valid?  Best of luck with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2010/07/16/motorola-responds-to-efuse-and-bootloader-talk-doesnt-brick-but-still-just-as-useless/#comment-170294</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 16:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it easy to get in to recovery mode otherwise?
Wonder if there is a way to spoof a software version which would rejected so that you could boot in to recovery mode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it easy to get in to recovery mode otherwise?<br />
Wonder if there is a way to spoof a software version which would rejected so that you could boot in to recovery mode.</p>
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		<title>By: Rappstar</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2010/07/16/motorola-responds-to-efuse-and-bootloader-talk-doesnt-brick-but-still-just-as-useless/#comment-170270</link>
		<dc:creator>Rappstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 15:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the overwhelming point of the looked bootloader is about VZW/Moto&#039;s customer service reputation(s) LONG TERM. People hear about &quot;rooting,&quot; and think &quot;I want THAT!&quot; But many have no idea what it is or how to do it. Then they can&#039;t get their phone to work, or - in many cases - particular apps don&#039;t work, and then they complain to VZW/Motorola. There have been numerous comments from application DEVELOPERS - who form the real core of what makes Android open source - about how often they get complaints from folks running custom ROMs that prevented their app from working. As long as the Android market and Android app development remains as open as it is, I think we should be thankful. Android is a very fractured OS (knowing that Google hates that word), and I think that reducing the custom ROMs will help bring it back into line. The next step that I&#039;d like to see, though, is for Google to lock down these manufacturers and prevent Android from being so &quot;skinned.&quot; I would hope that by the time 3.0 comes around, these manufacturer-developed tweaks to the UI are a thing of the past. 

Ultimately, I want app development to be open source. And I would like to see all phones ship with STOCK Android. I&#039;d also like to see these manufacturers make their own bloatware easily removable. If they want to pre-install it, fine. But at least make it removable. I don&#039;t think they should be allowed to block custom ROMs and then also force you to have apps you don&#039;t want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the overwhelming point of the looked bootloader is about VZW/Moto&rsquo;s customer service reputation(s) LONG TERM. People hear about &ldquo;rooting,&rdquo; and think &ldquo;I want THAT!&rdquo; But many have no idea what it is or how to do it. Then they can&rsquo;t get their phone to work, or &ndash; in many cases &ndash; particular apps don&rsquo;t work, and then they complain to VZW/Motorola. There have been numerous comments from application DEVELOPERS &ndash; who form the real core of what makes Android open source &ndash; about how often they get complaints from folks running custom ROMs that prevented their app from working. As long as the Android market and Android app development remains as open as it is, I think we should be thankful. Android is a very fractured OS (knowing that Google hates that word), and I think that reducing the custom ROMs will help bring it back into line. The next step that I&rsquo;d like to see, though, is for Google to lock down these manufacturers and prevent Android from being so &ldquo;skinned.&rdquo; I would hope that by the time 3.0 comes around, these manufacturer-developed tweaks to the UI are a thing of the past. </p>
<p>Ultimately, I want app development to be open source. And I would like to see all phones ship with STOCK Android. I&rsquo;d also like to see these manufacturers make their own bloatware easily removable. If they want to pre-install it, fine. But at least make it removable. I don&rsquo;t think they should be allowed to block custom ROMs and then also force you to have apps you don&rsquo;t want.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2010/07/16/motorola-responds-to-efuse-and-bootloader-talk-doesnt-brick-but-still-just-as-useless/#comment-170259</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 14:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think its fair to compare Motorola to Apple at all. Those people have far less freedom with their device then we do. I love my droid aswell. I can go anywhere with this device, but I do not think we give our devs enough credit. I understand some people like to play with roms and over-clock, but I think we need to cut Motorola a break. There are plenty of other devices we can root guys. Its not like we have a shortage anymore. I understand extending the life of your device, but Google needs these phones selling. The issue comes from phone vs. computer. These devices need to remain current and being pushed in a regular manner. Thats how people make their money. More people buying the device means more apps sales. 

This isn&#039;t a huge restriction. You really don&#039;t need to do anything to this device considering how stacked it already is. Can we give a hand to Motorola for that major blur overhaul. The widgets look and run great. These people worked hard and listened. Let us not make our owns devices unattractive just because we can&#039;t run a few roms. 

Its one thing to run roms on an outdated device to get more out of it, but honestly you can update for a fair price, and considering I want Google to one day beat out Apple. I would prefer we did update, but hey guys just go grab a htc device and root away. Lets not judge harshly strong hardware. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&rsquo;t think its fair to compare Motorola to Apple at all. Those people have far less freedom with their device then we do. I love my droid aswell. I can go anywhere with this device, but I do not think we give our devs enough credit. I understand some people like to play with roms and over-clock, but I think we need to cut Motorola a break. There are plenty of other devices we can root guys. Its not like we have a shortage anymore. I understand extending the life of your device, but Google needs these phones selling. The issue comes from phone vs. computer. These devices need to remain current and being pushed in a regular manner. Thats how people make their money. More people buying the device means more apps sales. </p>
<p>This isn&rsquo;t a huge restriction. You really don&rsquo;t need to do anything to this device considering how stacked it already is. Can we give a hand to Motorola for that major blur overhaul. The widgets look and run great. These people worked hard and listened. Let us not make our owns devices unattractive just because we can&rsquo;t run a few roms. </p>
<p>Its one thing to run roms on an outdated device to get more out of it, but honestly you can update for a fair price, and considering I want Google to one day beat out Apple. I would prefer we did update, but hey guys just go grab a htc device and root away. Lets not judge harshly strong hardware. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Ace Curry</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2010/07/16/motorola-responds-to-efuse-and-bootloader-talk-doesnt-brick-but-still-just-as-useless/#comment-170062</link>
		<dc:creator>Ace Curry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 07:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see how this stops you from rooting your phone or overclocking your CPU. You are still running approved software, just using slightly tweaked kernels and have superuser access. Am I wrong? If I am, can somebody please explain to me why.

Somebody will figure out how to root this phone, just like they did the Milestone. And once it is rooted, you can easily remove the bloatware and have it running super smooth. You may not put in a custom OS with extra features but you will still have control over a great phone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&rsquo;t see how this stops you from rooting your phone or overclocking your CPU. You are still running approved software, just using slightly tweaked kernels and have superuser access. Am I wrong? If I am, can somebody please explain to me why.</p>
<p>Somebody will figure out how to root this phone, just like they did the Milestone. And once it is rooted, you can easily remove the bloatware and have it running super smooth. You may not put in a custom OS with extra features but you will still have control over a great phone.</p>
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		<title>By: yuland</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2010/07/16/motorola-responds-to-efuse-and-bootloader-talk-doesnt-brick-but-still-just-as-useless/#comment-170041</link>
		<dc:creator>yuland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 05:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that’s right</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&rsquo;s right</p>
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		<title>By: Freddy</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2010/07/16/motorola-responds-to-efuse-and-bootloader-talk-doesnt-brick-but-still-just-as-useless/#comment-169966</link>
		<dc:creator>Freddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 03:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dorks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dorks</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2010/07/16/motorola-responds-to-efuse-and-bootloader-talk-doesnt-brick-but-still-just-as-useless/#comment-169885</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 00:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course the vast majority of Droid x buyers have no idea what &quot;root&quot; even means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course the vast majority of Droid x buyers have no idea what &ldquo;root&rdquo; even means.</p>
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