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		<title>By: veggiedude</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2010/03/18/htc-to-apple-first/#comment-200303</link>
		<dc:creator>veggiedude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 03:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;First Windows PDA (1998)&quot; doesn&#039;t count for much as it was Apple that invented the PDA with Newton in &#039;91 and the CEO of Apple coined the term &#039;PDA&#039;. The rest of &#039;firsts&#039; are dubious too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&ldquo;First Windows PDA (1998)&rdquo; doesn&rsquo;t count for much as it was Apple that invented the PDA with Newton in &rsquo;91 and the CEO of Apple coined the term &lsquo;PDA&rsquo;. The rest of &lsquo;firsts&rsquo; are dubious too.</p>
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		<title>By: HTC Sued Over Visual Voicemail Patents &#124; Android Phone Fans</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2010/03/18/htc-to-apple-first/#comment-111011</link>
		<dc:creator>HTC Sued Over Visual Voicemail Patents &#124; Android Phone Fans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is everyone always picking on poor HTC about patent infringement? Now Judah Klausner wants in on the action, brandishing a set of patents [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is everyone always picking on poor HTC about patent infringement? Now Judah Klausner wants in on the action, brandishing a set of patents [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Marty Mar</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2010/03/18/htc-to-apple-first/#comment-93340</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty Mar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 05:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, you guys are all crazy.  I love Android as much as the next guy.  I own a G1, Magic, Cliq, Hero, and a Nexus One and love them all.  Hell, I even made my fiance buy an Android phone.  

But FOR GOD SAKES stop bashing Apple!!!!   Sure the patent lawsuit is a total dick move, and yes Steve Jobs is a jack ass.  Hey, guess what, they make a decent phone, and more importantly they make some of the best consumer electronics on the market.  Outside of my TV and my phone... I&#039;d buy Apple before any other brand on the market.
Windows/PC blows.  
I&#039;d seriously take an iPod classic over 90% of the PMPs on the market today.  
Apples networking hardware is incredible.  
Even their monitors are decent, I mean come on!!

I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll all pass this off as &quot;fanboyism&quot;, but it&#039;s not and deep down you all know it.  HTC has made some real fucking turds over the years also, you know.  It took AT&amp;T 3 8525&#039;s to get me one that worked, and don&#039;t even get me started on that piece of shit HTC Shadow!  

You don&#039;t like something Jobs is doing, or something about the iPhone that&#039;s one thing.  But don&#039;t act like a child and try to make Apple out to be some sort of crazy evil empire, it&#039;s no more of an evil empire than our precious Google is.  You guys realize that this is all about BUSINESS right?  Both Google and Apple want your money equally as bad and will do equally as shady shit to get it.  

Now when HTC and Google team up and produce something as bad ass as a 17inch MacBook Pro... you can all tell me &quot;I told you so&quot;.  Until that day comes, remember... it&#039;s a phone.  Lighten up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, you guys are all crazy.  I love Android as much as the next guy.  I own a G1, Magic, Cliq, Hero, and a Nexus One and love them all.  Hell, I even made my fiance buy an Android phone.  </p>
<p>But FOR GOD SAKES stop bashing Apple!!!!   Sure the patent lawsuit is a total dick move, and yes Steve Jobs is a jack ass.  Hey, guess what, they make a decent phone, and more importantly they make some of the best consumer electronics on the market.  Outside of my TV and my phone&#8230; I&#8217;d buy Apple before any other brand on the market.<br />
Windows/PC blows.<br />
I&#8217;d seriously take an iPod classic over 90% of the PMPs on the market today.<br />
Apples networking hardware is incredible.<br />
Even their monitors are decent, I mean come on!!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll all pass this off as &#8220;fanboyism&#8221;, but it&#8217;s not and deep down you all know it.  HTC has made some real fucking turds over the years also, you know.  It took AT&amp;T 3 8525&#8242;s to get me one that worked, and don&#8217;t even get me started on that piece of shit HTC Shadow!  </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t like something Jobs is doing, or something about the iPhone that&#8217;s one thing.  But don&#8217;t act like a child and try to make Apple out to be some sort of crazy evil empire, it&#8217;s no more of an evil empire than our precious Google is.  You guys realize that this is all about BUSINESS right?  Both Google and Apple want your money equally as bad and will do equally as shady shit to get it.  </p>
<p>Now when HTC and Google team up and produce something as bad ass as a 17inch MacBook Pro&#8230; you can all tell me &#8220;I told you so&#8221;.  Until that day comes, remember&#8230; it&#8217;s a phone.  Lighten up.</p>
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		<title>By: hazydave</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2010/03/18/htc-to-apple-first/#comment-92980</link>
		<dc:creator>hazydave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 04:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, it&#039;s a good bet that Apple got at least some of their patents, not because they added &quot;on an iPhone&quot; to the basic &quot;invention&quot;, but because the existing prior art had not been patented, period, and the PTO is notoriously bad at researching prior at that&#039;s outside the scope of the US patent system. 

Apple, like many big companies, isn&#039;t patenting inventions. Rather, they have a team of lawyers who pour over every product they introduction, gaming the patent system for anything they can get through the system. This works out particularly well because it de-couples the inventor from the patent application, which also helps limit the amount of prior art called out in the patent application. The inventor, of course, is required to call out any and all prior art of which they&#039;re aware. But in practice, this isn&#039;t done well, and this as a rule isn&#039;t well enforced by the PTO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it&rsquo;s a good bet that Apple got at least some of their patents, not because they added &ldquo;on an iPhone&rdquo; to the basic &ldquo;invention&rdquo;, but because the existing prior art had not been patented, period, and the PTO is notoriously bad at researching prior at that&rsquo;s outside the scope of the US patent system. </p>
<p>Apple, like many big companies, isn&rsquo;t patenting inventions. Rather, they have a team of lawyers who pour over every product they introduction, gaming the patent system for anything they can get through the system. This works out particularly well because it de-couples the inventor from the patent application, which also helps limit the amount of prior art called out in the patent application. The inventor, of course, is required to call out any and all prior art of which they&rsquo;re aware. But in practice, this isn&rsquo;t done well, and this as a rule isn&rsquo;t well enforced by the PTO.</p>
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		<title>By: eurodude</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2010/03/18/htc-to-apple-first/#comment-92941</link>
		<dc:creator>eurodude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well how far would technologies be if we would drive INNOVATIONS forward and stop suing the firms that we are scared of ;)
Funny everytime a company is scared of another, they start suing. And the funny thing is: they usually win and thus we consumers have to feel the pain. Well I would say lets not buy apple-products anymore but that would be doing the same as to what I just expressed myself against. 
I am still amazed by the iPhone: How could everyone love it knowing that a couple of *not* so useful things like cut-copy-paste were missing. Well I guess marketing is everything. But this is a side note besides the point.
But now I am excited. This &quot;war&quot; will be some crazy thing, no doubt. Hopefully Google will back HTC up big time. I would love for apple to run against a wall again... They shoul not disappear but you get the idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well how far would technologies be if we would drive INNOVATIONS forward and stop suing the firms that we are scared of ;)<br />
Funny everytime a company is scared of another, they start suing. And the funny thing is: they usually win and thus we consumers have to feel the pain. Well I would say lets not buy apple-products anymore but that would be doing the same as to what I just expressed myself against.<br />
I am still amazed by the iPhone: How could everyone love it knowing that a couple of *not* so useful things like cut-copy-paste were missing. Well I guess marketing is everything. But this is a side note besides the point.<br />
But now I am excited. This &#8220;war&#8221; will be some crazy thing, no doubt. Hopefully Google will back HTC up big time. I would love for apple to run against a wall again&#8230; They shoul not disappear but you get the idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2010/03/18/htc-to-apple-first/#comment-92930</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 19:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>implementations*  tuckin fypos</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>implementations*  tuckin fypos</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2010/03/18/htc-to-apple-first/#comment-92929</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 19:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I think I just saw something here...
It&#039;s been noted that Apple took existing ideas/technologies and was able to obtain the patent(s) by adding the term, &quot;on an iPhone.&quot;
If that&#039;s the case and the patents read verbatim that these implemtations are on an iPhone (which is the sticking point) than Apple would only be able to sue for infringement if HTC was installing an infringing process/application/idea/whatever-else &quot;on an iPhone&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I think I just saw something here&#8230;<br />
It&#8217;s been noted that Apple took existing ideas/technologies and was able to obtain the patent(s) by adding the term, &#8220;on an iPhone.&#8221;<br />
If that&#8217;s the case and the patents read verbatim that these implemtations are on an iPhone (which is the sticking point) than Apple would only be able to sue for infringement if HTC was installing an infringing process/application/idea/whatever-else &#8220;on an iPhone&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Eastzabeast</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2010/03/18/htc-to-apple-first/#comment-92779</link>
		<dc:creator>Eastzabeast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 04:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought my android phone 3 months ago and thought the iPhone was better until I started doing research. Android is a better system. So I&#039;m so freaking excited about all the attention android is getting. People are starting to realise android is so freakin close to beating Apple. And also what if android wins instead of apple? Possibly even countersue? Idk. I&#039;m just a fandroid</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought my android phone 3 months ago and thought the iPhone was better until I started doing research. Android is a better system. So I&rsquo;m so freaking excited about all the attention android is getting. People are starting to realise android is so freakin close to beating Apple. And also what if android wins instead of apple? Possibly even countersue? Idk. I&rsquo;m just a fandroid</p>
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		<title>By: Abrown</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2010/03/18/htc-to-apple-first/#comment-92626</link>
		<dc:creator>Abrown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Charles
Yeah thats what sucks about the whole stupid thing...however it comes out if it goes Apple&#039;s direction the only ones getting screwed are the US consumer. 

Apple&#039;s new slogan should be &quot;killing the progress of technology&quot; as they slowly choke out competitors with patents for crap they didn&#039;t think of first nor were the first to implement it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Charles<br />
Yeah thats what sucks about the whole stupid thing&#8230;however it comes out if it goes Apple&#8217;s direction the only ones getting screwed are the US consumer. </p>
<p>Apple&#8217;s new slogan should be &#8220;killing the progress of technology&#8221; as they slowly choke out competitors with patents for crap they didn&#8217;t think of first nor were the first to implement it.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2010/03/18/htc-to-apple-first/#comment-92546</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember that IF Apple would win this lawsuite, It&#039;ll not affect the European market(or any other market doesn&#039;t recognize software patents). It&#039;s &quot;only&quot; U.S. consumers who will see the downside of an Apple win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember that IF Apple would win this lawsuite, It&rsquo;ll not affect the European market(or any other market doesn&rsquo;t recognize software patents). It&rsquo;s &ldquo;only&rdquo; U.S. consumers who will see the downside of an Apple win.</p>
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		<title>By: Techraan</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2010/03/18/htc-to-apple-first/#comment-92545</link>
		<dc:creator>Techraan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AHHAAH so they predate the iPhone by a few years with their first Smartphone.  This is just precious!  AHAHAHAH I had no idea!  I seriously think the industry would be better off with Apple gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AHHAAH so they predate the iPhone by a few years with their first Smartphone.  This is just precious!  AHAHAHAH I had no idea!  I seriously think the industry would be better off with Apple gone.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Nem</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2010/03/18/htc-to-apple-first/#comment-92490</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Nem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FIrst smartphone to be sued by apple?</description>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2010/03/18/htc-to-apple-first/#comment-92448</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 13:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a new sheriff in town apple get used to it bitches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&rsquo;s a new sheriff in town apple get used to it bitches.</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2010/03/18/htc-to-apple-first/#comment-92434</link>
		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 11:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chad, and I bet they will, or at least Google will help with most of the &quot;patents&quot; too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chad, and I bet they will, or at least Google will help with most of the &ldquo;patents&rdquo; too.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2010/03/18/htc-to-apple-first/#comment-92425</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 09:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an interesting article about tech patents:

http://jonathanischwartz.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/good-artists-copy-great-artists-steal/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting article about tech patents:</p>
<p><a href="http://jonathanischwartz.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/good-artists-copy-great-artists-steal/" rel="nofollow">http://jonathanischwartz.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/good-artists-copy-great-artists-steal/</a></p>
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