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		<title>By: Mike J B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike J B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;they’re two of the biggest tech players in the world and if they can somehow learn to play nice, we’ll all benefit.&quot;

The problem is that in a capitalistic system, the whole point is an adversarial competition. Maybe they should &quot;play nice&quot; by abstaining from patent trolling each other (*cough* Apple *cough*), but as a whole competition is *good* for the consumer, leading to rapid innovation and lower prices. Playing too nice would lead to identically high prices and very similar and slow-improving features.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&ldquo;they&rsquo;re two of the biggest tech players in the world and if they can somehow learn to play nice, we&rsquo;ll all benefit.&rdquo;</p>
<p>The problem is that in a capitalistic system, the whole point is an adversarial competition. Maybe they should &ldquo;play nice&rdquo; by abstaining from patent trolling each other (*cough* Apple *cough*), but as a whole competition is *good* for the consumer, leading to rapid innovation and lower prices. Playing too nice would lead to identically high prices and very similar and slow-improving features.</p>
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		<title>By: testman</title>
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		<dc:creator>testman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 08:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the problem is that Android is not clean as well ... still no clear solid standard grounds (except Linux kernel) for the development = endander future application compatibility as the OS &quot;moves&quot; &amp; limit the Java code reuse.

Bad license chosed that enable manufacturer to retain code and prevent community to follow google OS upgrade pace (noting  that manufacture never cared about upgrade but for short term ... all they want you is buy another candy with the new OS version). They should have gone thru GPL with &quot;Classpath exception&quot;, IMHO ! Doing so, any changes done to the Java part of the code (look and feel) can be kept at home, but changes to the core done to make the phone work could not be retained as it is done by now. This would have been quite protective for the manufacturer asset but without compromising with the platform evolution. The current choice is a danger for Android future :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the problem is that Android is not clean as well &hellip; still no clear solid standard grounds (except Linux kernel) for the development = endander future application compatibility as the OS &ldquo;moves&rdquo; &amp; limit the Java code reuse.</p>
<p>Bad license chosed that enable manufacturer to retain code and prevent community to follow google OS upgrade pace (noting  that manufacture never cared about upgrade but for short term &hellip; all they want you is buy another candy with the new OS version). They should have gone thru GPL with &ldquo;Classpath exception&rdquo;, IMHO ! Doing so, any changes done to the Java part of the code (look and feel) can be kept at home, but changes to the core done to make the phone work could not be retained as it is done by now. This would have been quite protective for the manufacturer asset but without compromising with the platform evolution. The current choice is a danger for Android future :(</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 03:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; Most consumers DON’T know the different between a locked-down iphone, and an open Android.&lt;/i&gt;

Perhaps.

But they will know the difference between the phone that has the &quot;edgy&quot; content they might want to consume (political satire, South Park, etc.) and the phone that is bland and boring, which maps pretty directly to open versus locked-down (respectively).

Apple lost the app wars on the PC front years before its marketshare tumbled because of its tight control over the app ecosystem on the Mac.  You simply couldn&#039;t get the variety and quality of apps on the Mac that you could on the PC.  And even the Mac&#039;s &quot;killer apps&quot; like Quark and inDesign migrated to superior versions on Windows.

These days, using a Mac is a statement rather than a practical choice -- even the &quot;Mac first killer apps&quot; are developed for Windows first and then ported.  We&#039;ll know iPhone is on the brink of decline when the hottest apps for that platform are ports from Android rather than developed for Apple first.

And that will happen faster than people realize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> Most consumers DON&rsquo;T know the different between a locked-down iphone, and an open Android.</i></p>
<p>Perhaps.</p>
<p>But they will know the difference between the phone that has the &ldquo;edgy&rdquo; content they might want to consume (political satire, South Park, etc.) and the phone that is bland and boring, which maps pretty directly to open versus locked-down (respectively).</p>
<p>Apple lost the app wars on the PC front years before its marketshare tumbled because of its tight control over the app ecosystem on the Mac.  You simply couldn&rsquo;t get the variety and quality of apps on the Mac that you could on the PC.  And even the Mac&rsquo;s &ldquo;killer apps&rdquo; like Quark and inDesign migrated to superior versions on Windows.</p>
<p>These days, using a Mac is a statement rather than a practical choice &mdash; even the &ldquo;Mac first killer apps&rdquo; are developed for Windows first and then ported.  We&rsquo;ll know iPhone is on the brink of decline when the hottest apps for that platform are ports from Android rather than developed for Apple first.</p>
<p>And that will happen faster than people realize.</p>
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		<title>By: ArtInvent</title>
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		<dc:creator>ArtInvent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 01:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think Google and Apple need to play nice. I feel exactly the same way about Apple&#039;s business methods. I don&#039;t really care how much Apple has innovated, it&#039;s all negated by the fact that they patent every obvious two-bit idea with the full collusion of the USPTO, and then sue anyone who gets too successful. Software should not be patentable, and hardware should not be completely and utterly controlled by it&#039;s manufacturer, it should be controlled by it&#039;s owner. Apple is not advancing computing, it&#039;s strangling innovation and it&#039;s pure BS. If you want competition, it should be from players championing more open standards, not hiding behind proprietary closed systems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&rsquo;t think Google and Apple need to play nice. I feel exactly the same way about Apple&rsquo;s business methods. I don&rsquo;t really care how much Apple has innovated, it&rsquo;s all negated by the fact that they patent every obvious two-bit idea with the full collusion of the USPTO, and then sue anyone who gets too successful. Software should not be patentable, and hardware should not be completely and utterly controlled by it&rsquo;s manufacturer, it should be controlled by it&rsquo;s owner. Apple is not advancing computing, it&rsquo;s strangling innovation and it&rsquo;s pure BS. If you want competition, it should be from players championing more open standards, not hiding behind proprietary closed systems.</p>
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		<title>By: Pedro Rodriguez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pedro Rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think Google and Apple may want to tone down the rhetoric a bit – they’re two of the biggest tech players in the world and if they can somehow learn to play nice, we’ll all benefit.&quot;

Google is playing nice. Apple is the bully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&ldquo;I think Google and Apple may want to tone down the rhetoric a bit &ndash; they&rsquo;re two of the biggest tech players in the world and if they can somehow learn to play nice, we&rsquo;ll all benefit.&rdquo;</p>
<p>Google is playing nice. Apple is the bully.</p>
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		<title>By: KBlack</title>
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		<dc:creator>KBlack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob, I agree Apple and Google should play nice. Yes, we&#039;re all android fans here, but we shouldn&#039;t forget how strongly Apple shaped the mobile landscape in the past few years. They&#039;re a big player, and they&#039;re here to stay, and frankly I have to admit some people just fit better into the iPhone paradigm, so yeah, to each his own.

Still, I wouldn&#039;t call the situation from a few months ago &quot;playing nice&quot;. It was Google blindly submitting to Apple&#039;s will. We need an environment where the two are working together, maybe even take steps to make it easier for developpers to bring compatibility between both OSes. But I&#039;m just being overly hopeful here I know; the knives are drawn now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, I agree Apple and Google should play nice. Yes, we&rsquo;re all android fans here, but we shouldn&rsquo;t forget how strongly Apple shaped the mobile landscape in the past few years. They&rsquo;re a big player, and they&rsquo;re here to stay, and frankly I have to admit some people just fit better into the iPhone paradigm, so yeah, to each his own.</p>
<p>Still, I wouldn&rsquo;t call the situation from a few months ago &ldquo;playing nice&rdquo;. It was Google blindly submitting to Apple&rsquo;s will. We need an environment where the two are working together, maybe even take steps to make it easier for developpers to bring compatibility between both OSes. But I&rsquo;m just being overly hopeful here I know; the knives are drawn now.</p>
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		<title>By: destardi</title>
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		<dc:creator>destardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike wrote on March 16, 2010
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1) Most consumers DON&#039;T know the different between a locked-down iphone, and an open Android.

2)What you&#039;re saying about the market being big enough for both, and your analogy of Coke and Pepsi, I AGREE!  Just TELL APPLE THAT, and stop with the lawsuits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike wrote on March 16, 2010<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>1) Most consumers DON&#8217;T know the different between a locked-down iphone, and an open Android.</p>
<p>2)What you&#8217;re saying about the market being big enough for both, and your analogy of Coke and Pepsi, I AGREE!  Just TELL APPLE THAT, and stop with the lawsuits.</p>
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		<title>By: treefq</title>
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		<dc:creator>treefq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope Mr. Bray checked the patent office to make sure Apple didn&#039;t patent this technology:

&quot;a sterile Disney-fied walled garden surrounded by sharp-toothed lawyers,”&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope Mr. Bray checked the patent office to make sure Apple didn&rsquo;t patent this technology:</p>
<p>&ldquo;a sterile Disney-fied walled garden surrounded by sharp-toothed lawyers,&rdquo;&rdquo;</p>
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		<title>By: Todd A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo, Mr. Bray !  I completely appreciate someone PASSIONATELY extolling the virtues of Android.  For a lot of us, the Android technology is about more than just dollars, it&#039;s a play on ideology. I feel advocated !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo, Mr. Bray !  I completely appreciate someone PASSIONATELY extolling the virtues of Android.  For a lot of us, the Android technology is about more than just dollars, it&rsquo;s a play on ideology. I feel advocated !</p>
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		<title>By: asqwerth</title>
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		<dc:creator>asqwerth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other hand, let&#039;s not go overboard with the Microsoft love here. Their monopolistic anti-competitive behaviour in the PC world is still there, their desire to kill off or hobble Linux as a fully-free, unencumbered OS is still there, even if they try to make nice with words like &quot;interoperability&quot;. Do you actually think they will support Android against Apple? Think again. They are happy with this lawsuit against HTC, because they can hope it slows down Android adoption right when WinPhone7 is about to be released. The patents won&#039;t be a problem to them, because they can cross-licence IP with Apple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, let&rsquo;s not go overboard with the Microsoft love here. Their monopolistic anti-competitive behaviour in the PC world is still there, their desire to kill off or hobble Linux as a fully-free, unencumbered OS is still there, even if they try to make nice with words like &ldquo;interoperability&rdquo;. Do you actually think they will support Android against Apple? Think again. They are happy with this lawsuit against HTC, because they can hope it slows down Android adoption right when WinPhone7 is about to be released. The patents won&rsquo;t be a problem to them, because they can cross-licence IP with Apple.</p>
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		<title>By: jan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was that TV Spot in 1984, looks like some people misinterpreted its meaning.

Today Apple feels very 1984 and thinking different does not seems to be all so popular anymore.

Talking about 1984, there are other companies to worry about too though ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was that TV Spot in 1984, looks like some people misinterpreted its meaning.</p>
<p>Today Apple feels very 1984 and thinking different does not seems to be all so popular anymore.</p>
<p>Talking about 1984, there are other companies to worry about too though &hellip;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Android, too, but this is a bit extreme. A consumer&#039;s decision to use Apple&#039;s &quot;walled garden&quot; or Android&#039;s &quot;post everything and I&#039;ll decide what&#039;s best&quot; IS freedom, as long as the users know what they&#039;re getting into. I like Android, but I can understand why a person would want to use an app store that has a filter, too. To claim one is strictly better than the other is ridiculous. The ability to choose your preference is &quot;freedom&quot; just as much as the ability to choose your apps is. 

Everyone needs to tone down their rhetoric, as this article points out. There will never be an &quot;iPhone killer&quot;, nor does there have to be. Android will be successful or it won&#039;t (I think it will). There is room in the market for Windows and Mac, Coke and Pepsi, Ford and Toyota. There is also room for Android and iPhone. I&#039;m glad that, as a consumer, the various products (in the smartphone OS market) actually have substantive differences and unique advantages, rather than having to choose the pile of crap with the prettiest skin (like we have to do in politics).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Android, too, but this is a bit extreme. A consumer&rsquo;s decision to use Apple&rsquo;s &ldquo;walled garden&rdquo; or Android&rsquo;s &ldquo;post everything and I&rsquo;ll decide what&rsquo;s best&rdquo; IS freedom, as long as the users know what they&rsquo;re getting into. I like Android, but I can understand why a person would want to use an app store that has a filter, too. To claim one is strictly better than the other is ridiculous. The ability to choose your preference is &ldquo;freedom&rdquo; just as much as the ability to choose your apps is. </p>
<p>Everyone needs to tone down their rhetoric, as this article points out. There will never be an &ldquo;iPhone killer&rdquo;, nor does there have to be. Android will be successful or it won&rsquo;t (I think it will). There is room in the market for Windows and Mac, Coke and Pepsi, Ford and Toyota. There is also room for Android and iPhone. I&rsquo;m glad that, as a consumer, the various products (in the smartphone OS market) actually have substantive differences and unique advantages, rather than having to choose the pile of crap with the prettiest skin (like we have to do in politics).</p>
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		<title>By: Android App Reviews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Android App Reviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that Apple has a lot of people against them and they should rethink what they are doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that Apple has a lot of people against them and they should rethink what they are doing.</p>
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		<title>By: AgnosJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>AgnosJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do believe the iphone has great hardware. It was great because of innovation. The sense of exclusivity it has now is ridiculous. The ipad is the least innovative tablet they could have made. Apple is on the way down. Developers need to lead that charge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do believe the iphone has great hardware. It was great because of innovation. The sense of exclusivity it has now is ridiculous. The ipad is the least innovative tablet they could have made. Apple is on the way down. Developers need to lead that charge.</p>
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		<title>By: FreeAsInFreedom</title>
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		<dc:creator>FreeAsInFreedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I pat Mr. Bray on the back for saying that.  Somebody in the up their world needed to make that clear.  Down here in Joe Schmo land us geeks are looking for something we can feel that we are getting our moneys worth.

The problem is that Apple has nerfed a lot of their products and services.  They restrict a lot of fresh ideas and applications because THEY feel it is unsafe, while they do that, those developers switch over to the Jailbroken apps where the same apps do very well, that is a missed market that Apple CHOOSES to drop because they lack the idea of Freedom.

Let us choose what we want to do with out phones.  If someone wants to make a modded version of Android with a cool new interface and features...LET THEM, and give me one!!  It would only further show the power of the Android OS.  Apple is seriously imperialistic, only THEY can make Apple products because apparently they know whats best for their consumers, that being an overpriced and over-hyped hunk of junk.

&quot;Free As In Freedom&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I pat Mr. Bray on the back for saying that.  Somebody in the up their world needed to make that clear.  Down here in Joe Schmo land us geeks are looking for something we can feel that we are getting our moneys worth.</p>
<p>The problem is that Apple has nerfed a lot of their products and services.  They restrict a lot of fresh ideas and applications because THEY feel it is unsafe, while they do that, those developers switch over to the Jailbroken apps where the same apps do very well, that is a missed market that Apple CHOOSES to drop because they lack the idea of Freedom.</p>
<p>Let us choose what we want to do with out phones.  If someone wants to make a modded version of Android with a cool new interface and features&hellip;LET THEM, and give me one!!  It would only further show the power of the Android OS.  Apple is seriously imperialistic, only THEY can make Apple products because apparently they know whats best for their consumers, that being an overpriced and over-hyped hunk of junk.</p>
<p>&ldquo;Free As In Freedom&rdquo;</p>
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