Comments on: Apple vs. HTC: Power Of The Patent Numbers http://phandroid.com/2010/03/09/apple-vs-htc-power-of-the-patent-numbers/ Android Phone News, Rumors, Reviews, Apps, Forums & More! Mon, 04 Apr 2011 02:51:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: HTC Sued Over Visual Voicemail Patents | Android Phone Fans http://phandroid.com/2010/03/09/apple-vs-htc-power-of-the-patent-numbers/#comment-111019 HTC Sued Over Visual Voicemail Patents | Android Phone Fans Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:51:36 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=13322#comment-111019 [...] is everyone always picking on poor HTC about patent infringement? Now Judah Klausner wants in on the action, brandishing a set of patents related to visual [...] [...] is everyone always picking on poor HTC about patent infringement? Now Judah Klausner wants in on the action, brandishing a set of patents related to visual [...]

]]> By: Pete http://phandroid.com/2010/03/09/apple-vs-htc-power-of-the-patent-numbers/#comment-92633 Pete Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:32:01 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=13322#comment-92633 Funny, but Apple are fixing the price for the iPhone in the UK market, at least according to the sales rep in the Orange store and to the evidence I see in the pricing. When is someone going to stop Jobs? I can't stand the bloke, with his meglomaniac personality and 1980s dress sense. Come one HTC and Google. I'm a big fan. Funny, but Apple are fixing the price for the iPhone in the UK market, at least according to the sales rep in the Orange store and to the evidence I see in the pricing.

When is someone going to stop Jobs? I can’t stand the bloke, with his meglomaniac personality and 1980s dress sense. Come one HTC and Google. I’m a big fan.

]]> By: MrHacks http://phandroid.com/2010/03/09/apple-vs-htc-power-of-the-patent-numbers/#comment-90964 MrHacks Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:48:52 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=13322#comment-90964 How many of these Patents that Apple has filed are FRIVIOUS? http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20081205/0158153029.shtml How many of these Patents that Apple has filed are FRIVIOUS?
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20081205/0158153029.shtml

]]> By: Pablo http://phandroid.com/2010/03/09/apple-vs-htc-power-of-the-patent-numbers/#comment-89337 Pablo Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:54:56 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=13322#comment-89337 search for iPatent in the android market :) search for iPatent in the android market :)

]]> By: Brad http://phandroid.com/2010/03/09/apple-vs-htc-power-of-the-patent-numbers/#comment-89150 Brad Wed, 10 Mar 2010 05:47:04 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=13322#comment-89150 Ford also pretty much invented the concept of standardized, mass-produced parts, which he did with the Model T (double-check on wikipedia or something to confirm, but I think I remember that correctly). Using this logic, they should be able to sue anybody who employs an assembly line with mass-produced parts, which is pretty much any factory in the world. Back to the topic at hand, I hope somebody can put Apple in their place soon. All the patents I've seen in this case so far are ridiculous, and should never have been granted. Our patent system is broken beyond all reason, and is only good for one thing: stifling innovation and consumer choice. Ford also pretty much invented the concept of standardized, mass-produced parts, which he did with the Model T (double-check on wikipedia or something to confirm, but I think I remember that correctly). Using this logic, they should be able to sue anybody who employs an assembly line with mass-produced parts, which is pretty much any factory in the world. Back to the topic at hand, I hope somebody can put Apple in their place soon. All the patents I’ve seen in this case so far are ridiculous, and should never have been granted. Our patent system is broken beyond all reason, and is only good for one thing: stifling innovation and consumer choice.

]]> By: QuantumRand http://phandroid.com/2010/03/09/apple-vs-htc-power-of-the-patent-numbers/#comment-89139 QuantumRand Wed, 10 Mar 2010 04:15:51 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=13322#comment-89139 I think the mere fact that Apple holds some of the patents it does is evidence enough to launch a federal investigation into the possibility of bribing patent officials. Anyone know how to send an anonymous tip to the FBI? I think the mere fact that Apple holds some of the patents it does is evidence enough to launch a federal investigation into the possibility of bribing patent officials.

Anyone know how to send an anonymous tip to the FBI?

]]> By: Herr http://phandroid.com/2010/03/09/apple-vs-htc-power-of-the-patent-numbers/#comment-89118 Herr Wed, 10 Mar 2010 02:06:03 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=13322#comment-89118 I guess Apple is feeling quite vulnerable seeing HTC conquering the mobile market. I guess Apple is feeling quite vulnerable seeing HTC conquering the mobile market.

]]> By: bab http://phandroid.com/2010/03/09/apple-vs-htc-power-of-the-patent-numbers/#comment-89114 bab Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:25:15 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=13322#comment-89114 @helmore Actually dragons post bout ford filing patents on the automobile would be an appropriate analogy. Apple didn't invent most of those patents it just borrowed the idea or expanded upon it. Ex. Lowering processsor speed on hibernation. Everyones computer does that and my pda windows 2000 does it. On topic: Apple is shooting itself in the foot. Google will destroy them with honey, not vinegar as apple would. @helmore

Actually dragons post bout ford filing patents on the automobile would be an appropriate analogy. Apple didn’t invent most of those patents it just borrowed the idea or expanded upon it. Ex. Lowering processsor speed on hibernation. Everyones computer does that and my pda windows 2000 does it.

On topic: Apple is shooting itself in the foot. Google will destroy them with honey, not vinegar as apple would.

]]> By: jrt http://phandroid.com/2010/03/09/apple-vs-htc-power-of-the-patent-numbers/#comment-89112 jrt Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:15:02 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=13322#comment-89112 I'll be so pissed if Apple wins any of this. I’ll be so pissed if Apple wins any of this.

]]> By: Helmore http://phandroid.com/2010/03/09/apple-vs-htc-power-of-the-patent-numbers/#comment-88997 Helmore Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:31:37 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=13322#comment-88997 @reddragon72: You are praising Ford for things they did not invent. Ford was the first company with a proper mass production manufacturing line, not the first with a car. If they could patent the moving assembly line, which Ford pretty much invented, they'd be able to stop pretty much all production. Karl Benz, which later formed Daimler-Benz through some fusion with Daimler, basically has the patent for the automobile as we know it though. @reddragon72: You are praising Ford for things they did not invent. Ford was the first company with a proper mass production manufacturing line, not the first with a car. If they could patent the moving assembly line, which Ford pretty much invented, they’d be able to stop pretty much all production. Karl Benz, which later formed Daimler-Benz through some fusion with Daimler, basically has the patent for the automobile as we know it though.

]]> By: reddragon72 http://phandroid.com/2010/03/09/apple-vs-htc-power-of-the-patent-numbers/#comment-88967 reddragon72 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 18:21:35 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=13322#comment-88967 I'm waiting for Ford to sue other motor companies over the gas pedal, steering wheel, break pedal, radio, vehicle seats, glass on a moving vehicle, using metal alloys, and fibrous materials to construct a shell to encapsulate items for transportation, rotating engine, gas exploding in a closed but movable chamber and the other fifty thousand parts of an automobile. I’m waiting for Ford to sue other motor companies over the gas pedal, steering wheel, break pedal, radio, vehicle seats, glass on a moving vehicle, using metal alloys, and fibrous materials to construct a shell to encapsulate items for transportation, rotating engine, gas exploding in a closed but movable chamber and the other fifty thousand parts of an automobile.

]]> By: CaptBebops http://phandroid.com/2010/03/09/apple-vs-htc-power-of-the-patent-numbers/#comment-88945 CaptBebops Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:37:32 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=13322#comment-88945 And here I thought the free market was about innovation. Using patents this way is a crime and a waste of time not to mention how it stifles innovation. Patents should only be granted for a totally unique concept not some fractional part that anyone could think up. Probably the HTC developers would prefer to engineer better products than spend their time filling out patent journals. And here I thought the free market was about innovation. Using patents this way is a crime and a waste of time not to mention how it stifles innovation. Patents should only be granted for a totally unique concept not some fractional part that anyone could think up. Probably the HTC developers would prefer to engineer better products than spend their time filling out patent journals.

]]> By: DannyB http://phandroid.com/2010/03/09/apple-vs-htc-power-of-the-patent-numbers/#comment-88909 DannyB Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:43:54 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=13322#comment-88909 The reason it's called a "Patent Nuclear War" is because it may work out as we feared during the cold war. Apple sues HTC. Google is named (or independently chooses to sue Apple) Microsoft either sues or is sued. etc. . I had expected a patent nuclear war over Linux years ago. Probably between Microsoft and IBM. If Microsoft goes after Linux to the point it affects IBM's mainframe Linux business (worth $Billions), expect a patent suit from IBM against Microsoft. . It's interesting that a patent nuclear war may be starting in the mobile phone arena instead. It still may play out similarly to what I had expected. Replace IBM (big Linux friendly company) with Google. . If this turns nasty, Google may suddenly recognize that it has patents, and claims within those patents, that affect EVERY SINGLE PRODUCT that Apple makes. Google could ask for an injunction to stop Apple from shipping every single product it makes until the lawsuit winds its way through years of litigation. . I remember (hazy) back in the late 1980's. Motorola made the 68000 processor which was quite cool. Intel and Motorola got into a patent fight. (Don't know, don't care, who started it.) The most important part I remember clearly was how it ended. The judge granted the injunctions of both parties against each other. Intel was enjoined from shipping any more 386 products(!), and Motorola likewise its processors. There was a settlement the very next business day. I think the judge knew how to get the parties to settle their differences quickly without having to use the court system. :-) The reason it’s called a “Patent Nuclear War” is because it may work out as we feared during the cold war.
Apple sues HTC.
Google is named (or independently chooses to sue Apple)
Microsoft either sues or is sued.
etc.
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I had expected a patent nuclear war over Linux years ago. Probably between Microsoft and IBM. If Microsoft goes after Linux to the point it affects IBM’s mainframe Linux business (worth $Billions), expect a patent suit from IBM against Microsoft.
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It’s interesting that a patent nuclear war may be starting in the mobile phone arena instead. It still may play out similarly to what I had expected. Replace IBM (big Linux friendly company) with Google.
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If this turns nasty, Google may suddenly recognize that it has patents, and claims within those patents, that affect EVERY SINGLE PRODUCT that Apple makes. Google could ask for an injunction to stop Apple from shipping every single product it makes until the lawsuit winds its way through years of litigation.
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I remember (hazy) back in the late 1980′s. Motorola made the 68000 processor which was quite cool. Intel and Motorola got into a patent fight. (Don’t know, don’t care, who started it.) The most important part I remember clearly was how it ended. The judge granted the injunctions of both parties against each other. Intel was enjoined from shipping any more 386 products(!), and Motorola likewise its processors. There was a settlement the very next business day. I think the judge knew how to get the parties to settle their differences quickly without having to use the court system. :-)

]]> By: Chris http://phandroid.com/2010/03/09/apple-vs-htc-power-of-the-patent-numbers/#comment-88904 Chris Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:27:23 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=13322#comment-88904 i really hope HTC (and Google) win this lawsuit. Apple is going to cripple the mobile marketplace (and really limit innovation). And with Apple's hugely dominant marketshare, when are the anti-trust regulators going to step in like they did with Microsoft/Windows?? I like Apple products but I don't like how they play. Hand gestures are not innovative or originating from Apple. Maybe Apple has infringed on American Sign Language's copyright. Apple just seems to want to patent anything whether of their own creation or simply a discovery that no one else has done so. Taking advantage of patenting the human anatomy or mobility is not Apple innovation. i really hope HTC (and Google) win this lawsuit. Apple is going to cripple the mobile marketplace (and really limit innovation). And with Apple’s hugely dominant marketshare, when are the anti-trust regulators going to step in like they did with Microsoft/Windows??

I like Apple products but I don’t like how they play. Hand gestures are not innovative or originating from Apple. Maybe Apple has infringed on American Sign Language’s copyright. Apple just seems to want to patent anything whether of their own creation or simply a discovery that no one else has done so. Taking advantage of patenting the human anatomy or mobility is not Apple innovation.

]]> By: treefq http://phandroid.com/2010/03/09/apple-vs-htc-power-of-the-patent-numbers/#comment-88898 treefq Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:20:14 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=13322#comment-88898 What I find bizarre is Apple is reaching way back for this law suit. patents file in the 90s? Really? If this is a battle between phones, then Apple should be made to limit themselves to the patents dealing with phones and the time frame they made phones. What I find bizarre is Apple is reaching way back for this law suit. patents file in the 90s? Really? If this is a battle between phones, then Apple should be made to limit themselves to the patents dealing with phones and the time frame they made phones.

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