Comments on: Android Deleted From Linux Kernel http://phandroid.com/2010/02/06/android-deleted-from-linux-kernel/ Android Phone News, Rumors, Reviews, Apps, Forums & More! Mon, 04 Apr 2011 02:51:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: NetApex http://phandroid.com/2010/02/06/android-deleted-from-linux-kernel/#comment-105772 NetApex Sat, 17 Apr 2010 03:28:09 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=11653#comment-105772 Well your wishes (at least some of your wishes) appear to be in the process of being answered. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/15/android_linux_kernel_reintegration/ Well your wishes (at least some of your wishes) appear to be in the process of being answered.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/15/android_linux_kernel_reintegration/

]]> By: akkharu1033 http://phandroid.com/2010/02/06/android-deleted-from-linux-kernel/#comment-83566 akkharu1033 Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:53:55 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=11653#comment-83566 You wanna know what I think about all this? I think it's time that both the Linux community AND Google step up to the plate in unison, merge their respective talents and code into a unified "tree" from which to base specialized versions of the kernel for different hardware apps (like Windows did with its totally bogus code, by offering home, business, server, and phone versions of the same basic NT 4.0 based structure) and require these retard phone makers to make their BS home screen GUI's compatible with ALL NEW ANDROID OS RELEASES AND LINUX KERNEL UPDATES. There is no reason why an Android user should have to live with software that is subsequently found to be defective or unstable in some way, or incompatible with certain phone drivers or what not, and is later rectified by either Google or the Linux community and available as an OTA update, just because some bogus phone maker couldn't make their silly GUI home screen COMPATIBLE WITH ALL ANDROID/LINUX OS/KERNEL UPDATES. This basically means to the consumer that the only way to avoid phone maker planned obsolescence is to buy an unlocked phone without any Sense or Blur on it, and thus be in the loop for the latest Android updates, or be at the mercy of HTC, Sony and Motorola and let THEM decide if your 3 month old phone is even worthy of an OS update that THEY decide to develop to suit THEIR purposes (like no Google Nav, if they SELL Nav software, no video support if they get paid by Verizon to give you no choice but VCast, no WiFi/WiMax switching/roaming capability if they get paid by Sprint to push their 4G,no built-in TV tuner/radio tuner support, if someone is pushing yet another would-be iTunes service,etc). Allowing phone makers to proprietize Android and allowing Google to proprietize Linux is NOT the end of the world (just like iPhone is NOT the end of the world, either), but if we view this realistically, it IS a raw deal for consumers who will end up paying more via phone makers and wireless carriers for services that are available freely on the Web, and be stuck having to constantly upgrade to the latest phone that IS supported by the latest OS update. Totally bogus, in my book. 'Nuff said :-P You wanna know what I think about all this? I think it’s time that both the Linux community AND Google step up to the plate in unison, merge their respective talents and code into a unified “tree” from which to base specialized versions of the kernel for different hardware apps (like Windows did with its totally bogus code, by offering home, business, server, and phone versions of the same basic NT 4.0 based structure) and require these retard phone makers to make their BS home screen GUI’s compatible with ALL NEW ANDROID OS RELEASES AND LINUX KERNEL UPDATES. There is no reason why an Android user should have to live with software that is subsequently found to be defective or unstable in some way, or incompatible with certain phone drivers or what not, and is later rectified by either Google or the Linux community and available as an OTA update, just because some bogus phone maker couldn’t make their silly GUI home screen COMPATIBLE WITH ALL ANDROID/LINUX OS/KERNEL UPDATES. This basically means to the consumer that the only way to avoid phone maker planned obsolescence is to buy an unlocked phone without any Sense or Blur on it, and thus be in the loop for the latest Android updates, or be at the mercy of HTC, Sony and Motorola and let THEM decide if your 3 month old phone is even worthy of an OS update that THEY decide to develop to suit THEIR purposes (like no Google Nav, if they SELL Nav software, no video support if they get paid by Verizon to give you no choice but VCast, no WiFi/WiMax switching/roaming capability if they get paid by Sprint to push their 4G,no built-in TV tuner/radio tuner support, if someone is pushing yet another would-be iTunes service,etc). Allowing phone makers to proprietize Android and allowing Google to proprietize Linux is NOT the end of the world (just like iPhone is NOT the end of the world, either), but if we view this realistically, it IS a raw deal for consumers who will end up paying more via phone makers and wireless carriers for services that are available freely on the Web, and be stuck having to constantly upgrade to the latest phone that IS supported by the latest OS update. Totally bogus, in my book. ‘Nuff said :-P

]]> By: AGx-07_162 http://phandroid.com/2010/02/06/android-deleted-from-linux-kernel/#comment-80466 AGx-07_162 Sun, 07 Feb 2010 19:12:46 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=11653#comment-80466 I dont know if it has more to do with Linux or with the way the manufacturers decided to build their spinoffs of Android (Sense, Blur, etc) but I hate it to no end the fact that you can have one phone running a new version but you have another waiting months before it "might" see the new version. If these things and this topic are related, to me, it is a big deal. I'm no expert on any of this but it's something that definately needs to be adressed. I dont know if it has more to do with Linux or with the way the manufacturers decided to build their spinoffs of Android (Sense, Blur, etc) but I hate it to no end the fact that you can have one phone running a new version but you have another waiting months before it “might” see the new version. If these things and this topic are related, to me, it is a big deal. I’m no expert on any of this but it’s something that definately needs to be adressed.

]]> By: jjss http://phandroid.com/2010/02/06/android-deleted-from-linux-kernel/#comment-80463 jjss Sun, 07 Feb 2010 17:03:28 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=11653#comment-80463 @Esperanto Yes you should! It seems that even Linus Torvalds has got a Nexus One and he likes it. @Esperanto
Yes you should! It seems that even Linus Torvalds has got a Nexus One and he likes it.

]]> By: treefq http://phandroid.com/2010/02/06/android-deleted-from-linux-kernel/#comment-80462 treefq Sun, 07 Feb 2010 16:56:52 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=11653#comment-80462 Its still a linux kernel. The only people who have been working on it are the android community. The android community isn't going anywhere. All this means is the general Linux community don't need to bother with it. Fact is android is too unique of a kernel for the masses. It is evolving so quickly its hard to keep up. It is open source but each iteration of hardware limits which version it will run. Soon, hopefully, we will be getting phones that will run any version of Android. If you were going to wait on the sidelines to see what android is doing, wait until you learn of an android version you like then jump in. It seems like the 2.1 code is going to be the new standard for a month. Its still a linux kernel. The only people who have been working on it are the android community. The android community isn’t going anywhere. All this means is the general Linux community don’t need to bother with it. Fact is android is too unique of a kernel for the masses. It is evolving so quickly its hard to keep up. It is open source but each iteration of hardware limits which version it will run. Soon, hopefully, we will be getting phones that will run any version of Android. If you were going to wait on the sidelines to see what android is doing, wait until you learn of an android version you like then jump in. It seems like the 2.1 code is going to be the new standard for a month.

]]> By: Esperanto http://phandroid.com/2010/02/06/android-deleted-from-linux-kernel/#comment-80446 Esperanto Sun, 07 Feb 2010 11:43:03 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=11653#comment-80446 I am looking forward for my upcomming android phone for months now but this is certainly giving me second thoughts. Is android still the way to go or should we consider other alternatives? I am looking forward for my upcomming android phone for months now but this is certainly giving me second thoughts.

Is android still the way to go or should we consider other alternatives?

]]> By: dbest1 http://phandroid.com/2010/02/06/android-deleted-from-linux-kernel/#comment-80445 dbest1 Sun, 07 Feb 2010 11:37:57 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=11653#comment-80445 All this talk about kernel. Anyone feel for KFC? All this talk about kernel. Anyone feel for KFC?

]]> By: jjss http://phandroid.com/2010/02/06/android-deleted-from-linux-kernel/#comment-80444 jjss Sun, 07 Feb 2010 11:30:26 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=11653#comment-80444 @Brotherred reverse engineered Nvidia drivers? Do you mean the nv driver? that only has 2d support... well great job with that! Nvidia supplies anyway drivers, and if you talking about the new Nouveau drivers, those that made it aren't kernel developers. Besides do you think that those kernel developers will start developing new drivers for Android devices? yeah right! @Danniello Yes exactly, they actually took a s*tty project and made it into something usable! Besides Linux distributions are much much much more fragmented. So Android, in comparison is not that bad :) @Brotherred
reverse engineered Nvidia drivers? Do you mean the nv driver? that only has 2d support… well great job with that! Nvidia supplies anyway drivers, and if you talking about the new Nouveau drivers, those that made it aren’t kernel developers. Besides do you think that those kernel developers will start developing new drivers for Android devices? yeah right!
@Danniello
Yes exactly, they actually took a s*tty project and made it into something usable! Besides Linux distributions are much much much more fragmented. So Android, in comparison is not that bad :)

]]> By: Dennis http://phandroid.com/2010/02/06/android-deleted-from-linux-kernel/#comment-80438 Dennis Sun, 07 Feb 2010 10:03:35 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=11653#comment-80438 There is "stock", and not.. Pretty much every major Linux distribution modifies the stock kernel and creates their own flavor based upon the latest release. If you are trying to port some hardware to Android, this would affect you if you wanted to use the latest version of the kernel as a base. This does not mean that the previous (how many) other kernels have disappeared from the planet.. and it also doesn't mean that next months kernel can't be modified to become the latest Android kernel.. As I said in another thread, I think people spend a little too much worry over numbers, and not enough on the experience.. As hardware changes and the numbers jump from 1.6 to 2.0 it would be better for some users to have an improved 1.6 versions than to just move them to 2.0 that would have unusable (by their hardware) code in it... As a Linux user, I have seen I don't know how many kernel "updates" and it is extremely rare that it makes any noticeable difference whatsoever. It would be more important to me, if I was a frequent buyer of the latest wizzbang hardware that may have just had support added for in the latest kernel, but for the most part it is extremely rare that there is anything that is really affecting me with a kernel update.. If it's really important, then I say find a way to rename your kernel or OS version to "11", because after all that's better than 10 right ? There is “stock”, and not.. Pretty much every major Linux distribution modifies the stock kernel and creates their own flavor based upon the latest release. If you are trying to port some hardware to Android, this would affect you if you wanted to use the latest version of the kernel as a base. This does not mean that the previous (how many) other kernels have disappeared from the planet.. and it also doesn’t mean that next months kernel can’t be modified to become the latest Android kernel.. As I said in another thread, I think people spend a little too much worry over numbers, and not enough on the experience.. As hardware changes and the numbers jump from 1.6 to 2.0 it would be better for some users to have an improved 1.6 versions than to just move them to 2.0 that would have unusable (by their hardware) code in it… As a Linux user, I have seen I don’t know how many kernel “updates” and it is extremely rare that it makes any noticeable difference whatsoever. It would be more important to me, if I was a frequent buyer of the latest wizzbang hardware that may have just had support added for in the latest kernel, but for the most part it is extremely rare that there is anything that is really affecting me with a kernel update.. If it’s really important, then I say find a way to rename your kernel or OS version to “11″, because after all that’s better than 10 right ?

]]> By: smgbblrtkmhndl http://phandroid.com/2010/02/06/android-deleted-from-linux-kernel/#comment-80435 smgbblrtkmhndl Sun, 07 Feb 2010 09:30:45 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=11653#comment-80435 1. "Apple is Evil," some people say. 2. "Don't be Evil" says Google 3. Google is a corporation 4. According to UBC Psyc prof, Robert Hare, using diagnostic criteria from.the DSM-IV, corporations are analogous to psychopaths. 5. Psychopaths aren't evil, but they can do evil things. 6. Google's corporate slogan might as well say "Don't be Apple, be Google." In other words remain authentically dynamic to the creatively pragmatic approach upon which you/we have built your/our success while you/we continually increase in size, scope , and clout. 7. Google's a MASSIVE organi(zation/sm), and. "all-this" is probably foolishness, knavery, or wisdom. Or something else, ____ man, who knows. 8. Where there's smoke there's fire... or something else that produces smoke. Hey, do they have an app for that yet? 9. http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2007/11/why-google-chose-the-apache-software-license-over-gplv2.ars 10. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki?search=slight+of+hand 11. Naw, jk ;P From my HTC Magic, -smgbblrtkmhndl 1. “Apple is Evil,” some people say.
2. “Don’t be Evil” says Google
3. Google is a corporation
4. According to UBC Psyc prof, Robert Hare, using diagnostic criteria from.the DSM-IV, corporations are analogous to psychopaths.
5. Psychopaths aren’t evil, but they can do evil things.
6. Google’s corporate slogan might as well say “Don’t be Apple, be Google.” In other words remain authentically dynamic to the creatively pragmatic approach upon which you/we have built your/our success while you/we continually increase in size, scope
, and clout.
7. Google’s a MASSIVE organi(zation/sm), and. “all-this” is probably foolishness, knavery, or wisdom. Or something else, ____ man, who knows.
8. Where there’s smoke there’s fire… or something else that produces smoke. Hey, do they have an app for that yet?
9. http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2007/11/why-google-chose-the-apache-software-license-over-gplv2.ars
10. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki?search=slight+of+hand
11. Naw, jk ;P

From my HTC Magic,
-smgbblrtkmhndl

]]> By: Jari http://phandroid.com/2010/02/06/android-deleted-from-linux-kernel/#comment-80428 Jari Sun, 07 Feb 2010 07:59:42 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=11653#comment-80428 Well, Linus Torvalds just got his Nexus One and he's liking it: http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2010/02/happy-camper.html On the comments he says this about the dropped Android code: "I don't worry about out-of-tree development for odd devices too much. I wish we could merge android, but I also accept it likely being a few years away. We had similar out-of-tree issues with the SGI extreme scalability stuff, and it took quite a while before the standard kernel merged all of that." Well, Linus Torvalds just got his Nexus One and he’s liking it: http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2010/02/happy-camper.html

On the comments he says this about the dropped Android code:
“I don’t worry about out-of-tree development for odd devices too much. I wish we could merge android, but I also accept it likely being a few years away. We had similar out-of-tree issues with the SGI extreme scalability stuff, and it took quite a while before the standard kernel merged all of that.”

]]> By: mihaelb http://phandroid.com/2010/02/06/android-deleted-from-linux-kernel/#comment-80404 mihaelb Sun, 07 Feb 2010 04:44:19 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=11653#comment-80404 According to Linus Torvald himself (father of Linux), who just got a Nexus 1, it's not big deal... source: http://androidandme.com/2010/02/news/father-of-linux-is-a-happy-camper-with-his-nexus-one/ According to Linus Torvald himself (father of Linux), who just got a Nexus 1, it’s not big deal…

source:
http://androidandme.com/2010/02/news/father-of-linux-is-a-happy-camper-with-his-nexus-one/

]]> By: asqwerth http://phandroid.com/2010/02/06/android-deleted-from-linux-kernel/#comment-80395 asqwerth Sun, 07 Feb 2010 03:41:10 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=11653#comment-80395 I'm no Linux expert; all I know is how to install it, to run a dual-boot system. I chose Android because I do want to support open source, want to avoid Microsoft if I can help it, and don't really want to be tied to iTunes and Apple's ecosystem. However, open source does not equate to just Linux, and I thought it was clear that while Android had its roots in Linux, it was no longer really Linux. It was also clear from the time of the cease and desist letter being issued to Cyanogen that Google considers some of their applications in Android as proprietary. Still, the main kernel is open, and perhaps we should just accept that it's something separate from Linux. People who are not comfortable with that still have Linux options like Maemo. It will mean fragmentation, but I think that is inevitable. I’m no Linux expert; all I know is how to install it, to run a dual-boot system. I chose Android because I do want to support open source, want to avoid Microsoft if I can help it, and don’t really want to be tied to iTunes and Apple’s ecosystem.
However, open source does not equate to just Linux, and I thought it was clear that while Android had its roots in Linux, it was no longer really Linux. It was also clear from the time of the cease and desist letter being issued to Cyanogen that Google considers some of their applications in Android as proprietary. Still, the main kernel is open, and perhaps we should just accept that it’s something separate from Linux. People who are not comfortable with that still have Linux options like Maemo. It will mean fragmentation, but I think that is inevitable.

]]> By: James http://phandroid.com/2010/02/06/android-deleted-from-linux-kernel/#comment-80390 James Sun, 07 Feb 2010 03:08:31 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=11653#comment-80390 @danniello that may be true if you believe the desktop is linux strength. Linux runs the internet and isn't going anywhere. @danniello that may be true if you believe the desktop is linux strength. Linux runs the internet and isn’t going anywhere.

]]> By: Brotherred http://phandroid.com/2010/02/06/android-deleted-from-linux-kernel/#comment-80387 Brotherred Sun, 07 Feb 2010 02:39:11 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=11653#comment-80387 "The kernel is GPL licensed, and they comply by releasing their source which is GPL too, no matter if it is a fork… The linux guys can do a merge by themselves if they wanted" @jjss... That is just it. The linux guys don't care except that some might have one of those products on which they might want to run a newer kernel. Even then why should they do work which they and no one else otherwise cares about including Google? Is it not plenty enough that the kernel devs have reverse engineered Nvidia drivers (And some others at earlier times I am sure) all so end users could use those chipsets and cards? There by allowing Nvidia and other uncooperative companies to sell to a market that they had written off? The reverse or backwards philanthropy stops for the sane when the company forks. 'nough said. “The kernel is GPL licensed, and they comply by releasing their source which is GPL too, no matter if it is a fork… The linux guys can do a merge by themselves if they wanted”

@jjss… That is just it. The linux guys don’t care except that some might have one of those products on which they might want to run a newer kernel. Even then why should they do work which they and no one else otherwise cares about including Google? Is it not plenty enough that the kernel devs have reverse engineered Nvidia drivers (And some others at earlier times I am sure) all so end users could use those chipsets and cards? There by allowing Nvidia and other uncooperative companies to sell to a market that they had written off?

The reverse or backwards philanthropy stops for the sane when the company forks. ‘nough said.

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