Comments on: Phones are the Face of the Carrier http://phandroid.com/2009/11/19/phones-are-the-face-of-the-carrier/ Android Phone News, Rumors, Reviews, Apps, Forums & More! Wed, 17 Mar 2010 01:39:54 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Robfactory http://phandroid.com/2009/11/19/phones-are-the-face-of-the-carrier/#comment-62629 Robfactory Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:54:29 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=8055#comment-62629 @MVTom I think the reason people put down Sprint is because of their horrible customer service reps (csr). If they knew how to be polite and treat people like a valued customer, most of ex sprint users wouldn't have left/complained so much. I think that's a major difference between Sprint and T-Mo. T-Mo doesn't have the best coverage, and God knows their 3G coverage resembles the development in a 3rd world country, but they know how to deal with their customers and make them happy. Though I've heard Sprint has improved their CS in the last year people still have a bad perception based on their exp. and word of mouth. @MVTom
I think the reason people put down Sprint is because of their horrible customer service reps (csr). If they knew how to be polite and treat people like a valued customer, most of ex sprint users wouldn’t have left/complained so much.
I think that’s a major difference between Sprint and T-Mo. T-Mo doesn’t have the best coverage, and God knows their 3G coverage resembles the development in a 3rd world country, but they know how to deal with their customers and make them happy.
Though I’ve heard Sprint has improved their CS in the last year people still have a bad perception based on their exp. and word of mouth.

]]> By: MVtom http://phandroid.com/2009/11/19/phones-are-the-face-of-the-carrier/#comment-62554 MVtom Sun, 22 Nov 2009 05:03:56 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=8055#comment-62554 I have been on Sprint for about 12 years and have always had excellent phone and data(3G) performance. Now, I am not a world traveller, but, everywhere I have gone in the U.S. (including Hawaii) I have found great Sprint service. I have yet to find another carrier with plans that are better. So, I don't understand the references on all of the blogs are to AT&T, Verizon and TMO and no one mentions Sprint. Granted, they have been a little slow in getting Android phones, but so was Verizon. I see Sprint advertising all of the time in Southern California, maybe this is the only place they advertise?? I have been on Sprint for about 12 years and have always had excellent phone and data(3G) performance. Now, I am not a world traveller, but, everywhere I have gone in the U.S. (including Hawaii) I have found great Sprint service. I have yet to find another carrier with plans that are better. So, I don’t understand the references on all of the blogs are to AT&T, Verizon and TMO and no one mentions Sprint. Granted, they have been a little slow in getting Android phones, but so was Verizon. I see Sprint advertising all of the time in Southern California, maybe this is the only place they advertise??

]]> By: A man http://phandroid.com/2009/11/19/phones-are-the-face-of-the-carrier/#comment-62152 A man Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:01:37 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=8055#comment-62152 Haha, that sounds too good to ever become a reality here in America. We'll see what happens when LTE comes out, though. :D Haha, that sounds too good to ever become a reality here in America. We’ll see what happens when LTE comes out, though. :D

]]> By: Olen http://phandroid.com/2009/11/19/phones-are-the-face-of-the-carrier/#comment-62066 Olen Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:32:00 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=8055#comment-62066 I am so happy this is not the case here (in Norway) and other countries in Europe. I can take my Android, and switch to whatever telco-operator I want. I can go into any mobile-phone store (or other electonics-store) and buy any phone I'd like with whatever subscription I want. Ofcourse there are branded stores supported by different telcos, but they all have the same phones, and the versatility is great. The operators compete when it comes to price, different services (free calls to anyone in your family, free 3g evenings and weekends...) and coverage. And you can get a really cheap phone if you buy i.e. a one year subscription, but all phones work fine on any network. Just change the sim-card. I am so happy this is not the case here (in Norway) and other countries in Europe. I can take my Android, and switch to whatever telco-operator I want. I can go into any mobile-phone store (or other electonics-store) and buy any phone I’d like with whatever subscription I want.
Ofcourse there are branded stores supported by different telcos, but they all have the same phones, and the versatility is great.

The operators compete when it comes to price, different services (free calls to anyone in your family, free 3g evenings and weekends…) and coverage. And you can get a really cheap phone if you buy i.e. a one year subscription, but all phones work fine on any network.
Just change the sim-card.

]]> By: A man http://phandroid.com/2009/11/19/phones-are-the-face-of-the-carrier/#comment-62057 A man Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:15:12 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=8055#comment-62057 @asqwerth This could be a logical explanation, but the fact remains, we still have not documentation or proof that Apple has a patent on pinch-to-zoom. Engadget couldn't find any, and they're a pretty reputable source. If Apple did have a patent, Google's strange behavior on the subject would make more sense. Unless something has changed since Engadget posted that, the only thing I can see happening is Google and Apple making some sort of agreement behind-the-scenes to not use pinch-to-zoom for whatever reason. I wasn't trying to come off as if I truly had an answer for lack of multi-touch for native apps in my above comment. It does seem clear that Apple doesn't have a patent for pinch-to-zoom, though. Or have at least decided to hide it very, very well if they do (for reasoning only God would know). @asqwerth
This could be a logical explanation, but the fact remains, we still have not documentation or proof that Apple has a patent on pinch-to-zoom. Engadget couldn’t find any, and they’re a pretty reputable source. If Apple did have a patent, Google’s strange behavior on the subject would make more sense. Unless something has changed since Engadget posted that, the only thing I can see happening is Google and Apple making some sort of agreement behind-the-scenes to not use pinch-to-zoom for whatever reason. I wasn’t trying to come off as if I truly had an answer for lack of multi-touch for native apps in my above comment. It does seem clear that Apple doesn’t have a patent for pinch-to-zoom, though. Or have at least decided to hide it very, very well if they do (for reasoning only God would know).

]]> By: Pieter http://phandroid.com/2009/11/19/phones-are-the-face-of-the-carrier/#comment-62056 Pieter Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:13:48 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=8055#comment-62056 haha yea...it's actually legal to patent a living organism these days - as long as it's not a human being. crazy yanks. haha yea…it’s actually legal to patent a living organism these days – as long as it’s not a human being. crazy yanks.

]]> By: asqwerth http://phandroid.com/2009/11/19/phones-are-the-face-of-the-carrier/#comment-62052 asqwerth Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:02:24 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=8055#comment-62052 @A man: Just playing devil's advocate here: how do we know those other companies implementing pinch to zoom didn't licence the patent from Apple? Or have some sort of understanding with Apple? USA patent laws seem to allow the patenting of the strangest things that might not be patentable elsewhere. @A man:

Just playing devil’s advocate here: how do we know those other companies implementing pinch to zoom didn’t licence the patent from Apple? Or have some sort of understanding with Apple? USA patent laws seem to allow the patenting of the strangest things that might not be patentable elsewhere.

]]> By: A man http://phandroid.com/2009/11/19/phones-are-the-face-of-the-carrier/#comment-62046 A man Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:04:09 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=8055#comment-62046 Btw, here is a little reading material for this subject specifically. http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/04/some-more-perspective-on-the-droid-and-multitouch/ Btw, here is a little reading material for this subject specifically.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/04/some-more-perspective-on-the-droid-and-multitouch/

]]> By: A man http://phandroid.com/2009/11/19/phones-are-the-face-of-the-carrier/#comment-62045 A man Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:01:20 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=8055#comment-62045 @T You've clearly never used the Droid. I never defined multi-touch as "pinch-to-zoom" specifically, or even at all for that matter. You also failed to read the full comment. If you press two keys on the Droid's onboard keyboard it only acknowledges one of the keys. Not all apps have multi-touch. The thought that Apple has patented "pinch-to-zoom" is somewhat silly. Though Apple has several multi-touch patents, "pinch-to-zoom" is not one of them. There are plenty of other manufacturers that include the multi-touch gesture, "pinch-to-zoom", and if Apple had patented it we would see lawsuits against them. If Apple failed to react then they would endanger the credit of the patent, and it would basically die (poof goes the patent, and the wasted opportunity cost of even filing for it). Have we seen any lawsuits against HTC for the "pinch-to-zoom" gesture in their browser? Nope. Whatever the reason is behind Google not putting "pinch-to-zoom" in their native apps is a mystery. The bottom line, and only thing that matters, is that Google did not include multi-touch in their native apps here in the US, but they did make the Droid multi-touch capable. @T

You’ve clearly never used the Droid. I never defined multi-touch as “pinch-to-zoom” specifically, or even at all for that matter. You also failed to read the full comment. If you press two keys on the Droid’s onboard keyboard it only acknowledges one of the keys. Not all apps have multi-touch.

The thought that Apple has patented “pinch-to-zoom” is somewhat silly. Though Apple has several multi-touch patents, “pinch-to-zoom” is not one of them. There are plenty of other manufacturers that include the multi-touch gesture, “pinch-to-zoom”, and if Apple had patented it we would see lawsuits against them. If Apple failed to react then they would endanger the credit of the patent, and it would basically die (poof goes the patent, and the wasted opportunity cost of even filing for it). Have we seen any lawsuits against HTC for the “pinch-to-zoom” gesture in their browser? Nope.

Whatever the reason is behind Google not putting “pinch-to-zoom” in their native apps is a mystery. The bottom line, and only thing that matters, is that Google did not include multi-touch in their native apps here in the US, but they did make the Droid multi-touch capable.

]]> By: asqwerth http://phandroid.com/2009/11/19/phones-are-the-face-of-the-carrier/#comment-62030 asqwerth Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:36:30 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=8055#comment-62030 I don't live in the US, so all I can do is drool at the Droid from afar. But I have to say that despite all its coolness and power, despite all the new phones coming up or which have been introduced, I can still say I'm very happy with my HTC Hero (not the Sprint one). So I'm all for Sprint promoting the Hero more heavily. More people should know about it! It really is a good phone. More than that, I actually get pleasant vibes using it, as in, the user experience is top-rate. I don’t live in the US, so all I can do is drool at the Droid from afar. But I have to say that despite all its coolness and power, despite all the new phones coming up or which have been introduced, I can still say I’m very happy with my HTC Hero (not the Sprint one).

So I’m all for Sprint promoting the Hero more heavily. More people should know about it! It really is a good phone. More than that, I actually get pleasant vibes using it, as in, the user experience is top-rate.

]]> By: Craig http://phandroid.com/2009/11/19/phones-are-the-face-of-the-carrier/#comment-62027 Craig Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:49:29 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=8055#comment-62027 Actually, that commercial from Sprint has been aired, I've seen it recently a few times now. Actually, that commercial from Sprint has been aired, I’ve seen it recently a few times now.

]]> By: T http://phandroid.com/2009/11/19/phones-are-the-face-of-the-carrier/#comment-62022 T Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:26:53 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=8055#comment-62022 "10. A man wrote on November 19, 2009 @Clems I think when most people say the Droid doesn’t do multi-touch, they are referring to native apps. You cannot use multi-touch in the browser or when using the onscreen keyboard." All apps have multi-touch. You can very easily press 2 places at once and have both presses registered by the UI as independent presses. That's multi-touch. Pinching and stretching is a feature of multi-touch. One that is very heavily patented in the US of A by some company named Apple. “10. A man wrote on November 19, 2009

@Clems

I think when most people say the Droid doesn’t do multi-touch, they are referring to native apps. You cannot use multi-touch in the browser or when using the onscreen keyboard.”

All apps have multi-touch. You can very easily press 2 places at once and have both presses registered by the UI as independent presses. That’s multi-touch. Pinching and stretching is a feature of multi-touch. One that is very heavily patented in the US of A by some company named Apple.

]]> By: jeremy http://phandroid.com/2009/11/19/phones-are-the-face-of-the-carrier/#comment-62004 jeremy Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:12:42 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=8055#comment-62004 I finally saw a cliq commercial from tmob. It actually showed what android is capable of. Its about time they did this. I finally saw a cliq commercial from tmob. It actually showed what android is capable of. Its about time they did this.

]]> By: Pieter http://phandroid.com/2009/11/19/phones-are-the-face-of-the-carrier/#comment-62001 Pieter Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:44:52 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=8055#comment-62001 @robfactory but it wasnt disabled. it's just not included in the native applications. there is a difference. i understand what you meant, but new or uninformed readers wont. @robfactory
but it wasnt disabled. it’s just not included in the native applications. there is a difference. i understand what you meant, but new or uninformed readers wont.

]]> By: tmogeek http://phandroid.com/2009/11/19/phones-are-the-face-of-the-carrier/#comment-61990 tmogeek Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:23:30 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=8055#comment-61990 Yes, carriers have been reduced to dumb pipes. Now the race is on to have the fattest dumb pipes, and be first to market. HSPA+ LTE Wimax take your pic. Yes, carriers have been reduced to dumb pipes. Now the race is on to have the fattest dumb pipes, and be first to market. HSPA+ LTE Wimax take your pic.

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