Comments on: Google Responds To Cyanogen Uproar http://phandroid.com/2009/09/25/google-responds-to-cyanogen-uproar/ Android Phone News, Rumors, Reviews, Apps, Forums & More! Mon, 04 Apr 2011 02:51:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: SDsc_rch http://phandroid.com/2009/09/25/google-responds-to-cyanogen-uproar/#comment-270632 SDsc_rch Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:01:13 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=5598#comment-270632 this actually didn't turn out so bad i'm glad android phones still rawk this actually didn’t turn out so bad

i’m glad

android phones still rawk

]]> By: Frank http://phandroid.com/2009/09/25/google-responds-to-cyanogen-uproar/#comment-55935 Frank Sat, 31 Oct 2009 06:10:00 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=5598#comment-55935 Reiteration to all the blathering idiots screaming that Google is doing Android wrong: If you already have the apps, you can back them up and use them on any custom rom, LEGALLY. The reason Google is doing this is because some phones are NOT Googlefied, and they can't have 3rd party ROMs including their apps for phones that didn't have them in the first place. As said, though, if you already had the apps because you bought a phone with the "Google Experience", then you CAN load Cyanogen's [recent] ROMs and have the existing Google apps as well. And to anyone that says that's not how it works, explain to me exactly how it is that I DO have Cyanogen's 4.2.x ROM installed, and still have gMail, Maps, Market, etc.... Just follow the instructions on his website. As for what Google is doing, I think they're doing it fairly well. They informed Cyanogen of the legal ramifications of his work, while simultaneously applauding him for it, and giving him the chance to "clean up" his code. Case and point: he's still releasing ROMs, and there hasn't been another peep from Google. Reiteration to all the blathering idiots screaming that Google is doing Android wrong: If you already have the apps, you can back them up and use them on any custom rom, LEGALLY.

The reason Google is doing this is because some phones are NOT Googlefied, and they can’t have 3rd party ROMs including their apps for phones that didn’t have them in the first place. As said, though, if you already had the apps because you bought a phone with the “Google Experience”, then you CAN load Cyanogen’s [recent] ROMs and have the existing Google apps as well.

And to anyone that says that’s not how it works, explain to me exactly how it is that I DO have Cyanogen’s 4.2.x ROM installed, and still have gMail, Maps, Market, etc…. Just follow the instructions on his website.

As for what Google is doing, I think they’re doing it fairly well. They informed Cyanogen of the legal ramifications of his work, while simultaneously applauding him for it, and giving him the chance to “clean up” his code. Case and point: he’s still releasing ROMs, and there hasn’t been another peep from Google.

]]> By: Niko http://phandroid.com/2009/09/25/google-responds-to-cyanogen-uproar/#comment-55884 Niko Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:31:17 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=5598#comment-55884 I couldn't understand why Google would want to stop people from using their apps because it's the advertisements in said apps that make them the money, right? Then after reading all these comments (OMG some people need to grow up) I realized, it's not that they don't want you to use their apps, it's that they don't want manufacturers making money off handset sales using their apps as an incentive for buyers. The biggest question I still have, is why can't it be both ways? Why can't the big expensive lawyers come up with a way to let the end user have the apps if they want and still make manufacturers pay royalties to GOOG in order to boost their handset sales? It seems reasonable that if the phone maker is profiting by using their apps, they should pay for the apps. But if I buy a device that doesn't have the "Google Experience" why make it so hard for me to add the parts I would like to experience myself? This sentence is the one I have the most problem with: "We make some of these apps available to users of any Android-powered device via Android Market, and others are pre-installed on some phones through business deals. " Note the, "ANY Android-powered device via Android Market". Where does one get Android Market for their non-Google Android-device? It's not available for download anywhere. So what are you talking about Google? You either need to add disclaimers to that statement like: "only Android devices that we deem worthy" or let us all have access to Android Market, Gmail and everything else. I would say 99.9% of us don't want to reverse engineer it, we just want the best way to check our mail, or see where we are, or get that cool app we've been hearing about. I couldn’t understand why Google would want to stop people from using their apps because it’s the advertisements in said apps that make them the money, right? Then after reading all these comments (OMG some people need to grow up) I realized, it’s not that they don’t want you to use their apps, it’s that they don’t want manufacturers making money off handset sales using their apps as an incentive for buyers.

The biggest question I still have, is why can’t it be both ways? Why can’t the big expensive lawyers come up with a way to let the end user have the apps if they want and still make manufacturers pay royalties to GOOG in order to boost their handset sales? It seems reasonable that if the phone maker is profiting by using their apps, they should pay for the apps. But if I buy a device that doesn’t have the “Google Experience” why make it so hard for me to add the parts I would like to experience myself?

This sentence is the one I have the most problem with:
“We make some of these apps available to users of any Android-powered device via Android Market, and others are pre-installed on some phones through business deals. ”

Note the, “ANY Android-powered device via Android Market”. Where does one get Android Market for their non-Google Android-device? It’s not available for download anywhere. So what are you talking about Google? You either need to add disclaimers to that statement like: “only Android devices that we deem worthy” or let us all have access to Android Market, Gmail and everything else. I would say 99.9% of us don’t want to reverse engineer it, we just want the best way to check our mail, or see where we are, or get that cool app we’ve been hearing about.

]]> By: mrvan http://phandroid.com/2009/09/25/google-responds-to-cyanogen-uproar/#comment-51576 mrvan Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:38:42 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=5598#comment-51576 in response to: Perfectly understandable on the Google side. Android is open source, Google apps are not. Anyone that has rooted their phone can just reinstall the Google apps just like any other app they download from the marketplace, if needed. Many of the ROM updates are able to be made without reinstalling anyway. This doesn’t hurt Cyanogen. -- It'd be great if this were true but... You Can't download anything from the marketplace on a rom, because you aren't allowed to use the Marketplace on a mod of android, because That is also part of their proprietary software! What google has done is analogous to : Ubuntu based builds (linuxmint, crunchbang...etc) Not being able to use any of ubuntu repositories and updates. or Mozilla based software (songbird..etc) not being allowed to use mozilla extensions.. I'm going to switch to maemo in response to:
Perfectly understandable on the Google side. Android is open source, Google apps are not. Anyone that has rooted their phone can just reinstall the Google apps just like any other app they download from the marketplace, if needed. Many of the ROM updates are able to be made without reinstalling anyway.
This doesn’t hurt Cyanogen.
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It’d be great if this were true but… You Can’t download anything from the marketplace on a rom, because you aren’t allowed to use the Marketplace on a mod of android, because That is also part of their proprietary software!

What google has done is analogous to :

Ubuntu based builds (linuxmint, crunchbang…etc) Not being able to use any of ubuntu repositories and updates.

or

Mozilla based software (songbird..etc) not being allowed to use mozilla extensions..

I’m going to switch to maemo

]]> By: hoempapa http://phandroid.com/2009/09/25/google-responds-to-cyanogen-uproar/#comment-48645 hoempapa Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:35:37 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=5598#comment-48645 Maybe somebody ought to do a poll on whether or not The Google should be killed or not... /** a joke, people... a joke. Maybe somebody ought to do a poll on whether or not The Google should be killed or not…

/** a joke, people… a joke.

]]> By: Jeff http://phandroid.com/2009/09/25/google-responds-to-cyanogen-uproar/#comment-48622 Jeff Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:49:29 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=5598#comment-48622 I Bet the Steve's are smiling now :) Steve Jobs/Steve Ballmer I Bet the Steve’s are smiling now :)

Steve Jobs/Steve Ballmer

]]> By: Jeff http://phandroid.com/2009/09/25/google-responds-to-cyanogen-uproar/#comment-48621 Jeff Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:47:47 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=5598#comment-48621 http://www.petitiononline.com http://www.petitiononline.com

]]> By: Antonio Medina http://phandroid.com/2009/09/25/google-responds-to-cyanogen-uproar/#comment-48519 Antonio Medina Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:02:16 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=5598#comment-48519 I recently purchased the HTC dream. It's a nice gadget but with one fundamental flaw, the battery life of this device is extremely low. I heard that I could solve this issue partially with the cyanogen mod. It seems that all sites have ben blocked. I cant download this rom. Up until now I was recommending to friends and neighbours the G-Phone. I guess I will have to stop doing it. I recently purchased the HTC dream. It’s a nice gadget but with one fundamental flaw, the battery life of this device is extremely low. I heard that I could solve this issue partially with the cyanogen mod. It seems that all sites have ben blocked. I cant download this rom. Up until now I was recommending to friends and neighbours the G-Phone. I guess I will have to stop doing it.

]]> By: ba http://phandroid.com/2009/09/25/google-responds-to-cyanogen-uproar/#comment-48469 ba Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:45:17 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=5598#comment-48469 links cyanogem rom stable - http://rapidshare.com/files/285062746/update-cm-4.0.4-signed.zip experimental - http://rapidshare.com/files/285063594/update-cm-4.1.11.1-signed.zip links cyanogem rom

stable – http://rapidshare.com/files/285062746/update-cm-4.0.4-signed.zip
experimental – http://rapidshare.com/files/285063594/update-cm-4.1.11.1-signed.zip

]]> By: Nerd Uno http://phandroid.com/2009/09/25/google-responds-to-cyanogen-uproar/#comment-48322 Nerd Uno Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:01:42 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=5598#comment-48322 Assuming you have an Android phone, you already have the ability to make a backup image using the Android SDK. Shouldn't be that hard to create a ROM that pulls proprietary pieces from your backup and adds them to the new rooted ROM that's missing the proprietary components. Nothing obviously is "stolen" using this methodology. Assuming you have an Android phone, you already have the ability to make a backup image using the Android SDK. Shouldn’t be that hard to create a ROM that pulls proprietary pieces from your backup and adds them to the new rooted ROM that’s missing the proprietary components. Nothing obviously is “stolen” using this methodology.

]]> By: AlexK http://phandroid.com/2009/09/25/google-responds-to-cyanogen-uproar/#comment-48309 AlexK Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:15:28 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=5598#comment-48309 Perfectly understandable on the Google side. Android is open source, Google apps are not. Anyone that has rooted their phone can just reinstall the Google apps just like any other app they download from the marketplace, if needed. Many of the ROM updates are able to be made without reinstalling anyway. This doesn't hurt Cyanogen. Perfectly understandable on the Google side. Android is open source, Google apps are not. Anyone that has rooted their phone can just reinstall the Google apps just like any other app they download from the marketplace, if needed. Many of the ROM updates are able to be made without reinstalling anyway.

This doesn’t hurt Cyanogen.

]]> By: AfraidOfGoogle http://phandroid.com/2009/09/25/google-responds-to-cyanogen-uproar/#comment-48263 AfraidOfGoogle Mon, 28 Sep 2009 03:56:57 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=5598#comment-48263 I don't know about you all but I am dead scared of Google. They have way to much power, footprint, influence, and money. They need to be broken up ASAP. I don’t know about you all but I am dead scared of Google. They have way to much power, footprint, influence, and money.

They need to be broken up ASAP.

]]> By: AndrewS http://phandroid.com/2009/09/25/google-responds-to-cyanogen-uproar/#comment-48211 AndrewS Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:57:32 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=5598#comment-48211 Has anyone considered the fact that this might be related to the upcoming phones for Verizon? This sounds 100% like an attempt by Verizon to lock down Android on Verizon and keep people paying Verizon for all their BS services/apps that should be free. Has anyone considered the fact that this might be related to the upcoming phones for Verizon? This sounds 100% like an attempt by Verizon to lock down Android on Verizon and keep people paying Verizon for all their BS services/apps that should be free.

]]> By: twrock http://phandroid.com/2009/09/25/google-responds-to-cyanogen-uproar/#comment-48193 twrock Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:26:34 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=5598#comment-48193 Wow, I spent way too much time reading way too many threads today. But the great news of course is the CyanogenMods are back! http://www.cyanogenmod.com/home/the-current-state/ Looks like it will be a bit more work for Cyanogen, but the results might actually be "better" as it allows people easy access to a Cyanogen modded "bare bones" Android system. (If I read that all correctly.) And everyone is a lot clearer about the rules of the game. It's nice to know that I can still look forward to all that rooted/modded goodness! Wow, I spent way too much time reading way too many threads today. But the great news of course is the CyanogenMods are back! http://www.cyanogenmod.com/home/the-current-state/ Looks like it will be a bit more work for Cyanogen, but the results might actually be “better” as it allows people easy access to a Cyanogen modded “bare bones” Android system. (If I read that all correctly.) And everyone is a lot clearer about the rules of the game. It’s nice to know that I can still look forward to all that rooted/modded goodness!

]]> By: twrock http://phandroid.com/2009/09/25/google-responds-to-cyanogen-uproar/#comment-48186 twrock Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:03:21 +0000 http://phandroid.com/?p=5598#comment-48186 Ok, for anyone who wants to at least start to try and understand the issues involved in working around Google's proprietary software, here's a post that speaks directly to that issue: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4613476&postcount=425 Looks like Google was being very smart about all of this from the beginning. Yep, sure, it's an "opensource" OS that anyone can use ..... just as long as you license a critical piece of software from Google, without which nothing works. Smart? Sure. Slick? Oh you bet. Should we have seen it coming? I think so. There is no free lunch, people. But again, better to have this stuff clearly exposed earlier rather than later. The rules of the game are being enforced. Do you want to keep playing on their court with their ball, or are you going find your own court and make your own rules? Ok, for anyone who wants to at least start to try and understand the issues involved in working around Google’s proprietary software, here’s a post that speaks directly to that issue: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4613476&postcount=425
Looks like Google was being very smart about all of this from the beginning. Yep, sure, it’s an “opensource” OS that anyone can use ….. just as long as you license a critical piece of software from Google, without which nothing works. Smart? Sure. Slick? Oh you bet. Should we have seen it coming? I think so. There is no free lunch, people. But again, better to have this stuff clearly exposed earlier rather than later. The rules of the game are being enforced. Do you want to keep playing on their court with their ball, or are you going find your own court and make your own rules?

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