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	<title>Comments on: Opera Working On Full Android Browser</title>
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		<title>By: james gloucester uk</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2009/08/06/opera-working-on-full-android-browser/#comment-88384</link>
		<dc:creator>james gloucester uk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 04:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a nokia N95 and love both vers of opera. Opera mini is very fast and can cope with most sites but none of them can play embeded web based videos like the ones on flightlevel350 which are flash videos. I found that the skyfires browser can play any video on any site which to me is what im after for my android phone, but unfortunatly its not out for android yet. When it is i would recomend getting that one, you can even play flash games in web pages too. Untill then i will stick with opera mini.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a nokia N95 and love both vers of opera. Opera mini is very fast and can cope with most sites but none of them can play embeded web based videos like the ones on flightlevel350 which are flash videos. I found that the skyfires browser can play any video on any site which to me is what im after for my android phone, but unfortunatly its not out for android yet. When it is i would recomend getting that one, you can even play flash games in web pages too. Untill then i will stick with opera mini.</p>
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		<title>By: blah</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2009/08/06/opera-working-on-full-android-browser/#comment-74002</link>
		<dc:creator>blah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the new browser supports Multi-touch for android phones, it would be really great on the nexus one. Dolphin browser is okay but I want what the HTC hd2 has which is the opera browser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the new browser supports Multi-touch for android phones, it would be really great on the nexus one. Dolphin browser is okay but I want what the HTC hd2 has which is the opera browser.</p>
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		<title>By: Xavier</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2009/08/06/opera-working-on-full-android-browser/#comment-51025</link>
		<dc:creator>Xavier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lukas Klinzing is bang on the money with his remarks about caching - or lack of it - in the default Android browser.

It is bizarre to make each page reload when you restore the browser from minimised, or to make pages reload when you hit back.

It is beyond bizarre and well into the realms of dementia when this behaviour is programmed into a mobile device that uses slow and unreliable GPRS coverage.

What should be the simple act of switching back to the browser to a have a quick look at a page you already opened can easily take 5 minutes, or never if the GPRS connection has since been lost.

Opera&#039;s desktop browsers have always made intelligent use of caching, so I&#039;m sure they&#039;ll be able to get that right no problem.

I&#039;ll be there with my doolah to get hold of Opera&#039;s browser if they do release it for Android.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lukas Klinzing is bang on the money with his remarks about caching &#8211; or lack of it &#8211; in the default Android browser.</p>
<p>It is bizarre to make each page reload when you restore the browser from minimised, or to make pages reload when you hit back.</p>
<p>It is beyond bizarre and well into the realms of dementia when this behaviour is programmed into a mobile device that uses slow and unreliable GPRS coverage.</p>
<p>What should be the simple act of switching back to the browser to a have a quick look at a page you already opened can easily take 5 minutes, or never if the GPRS connection has since been lost.</p>
<p>Opera&#8217;s desktop browsers have always made intelligent use of caching, so I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ll be able to get that right no problem.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be there with my doolah to get hold of Opera&#8217;s browser if they do release it for Android.</p>
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		<title>By: Morten</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2009/08/06/opera-working-on-full-android-browser/#comment-39982</link>
		<dc:creator>Morten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My bad, by adding &quot;browserok=true&quot; as suggested by Google (props to them for that at least), I could open the document, but couldn&#039;t really use it. Maybe thats get better with Opera mobile 9.7 or 10 though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bad, by adding &#8220;browserok=true&#8221; as suggested by Google (props to them for that at least), I could open the document, but couldn&#8217;t really use it. Maybe thats get better with Opera mobile 9.7 or 10 though.</p>
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		<title>By: Morten</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2009/08/06/opera-working-on-full-android-browser/#comment-39978</link>
		<dc:creator>Morten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are you guys talking about?
Google docs works perfectly in Opera.

And Opera Mobile (for WinMo) works as well (I just tried), but gets booted by google whenever a document finishes loading, saying &quot;Browser does not support web word-processing (even though you can edit docs, while the page is loading).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are you guys talking about?<br />
Google docs works perfectly in Opera.</p>
<p>And Opera Mobile (for WinMo) works as well (I just tried), but gets booted by google whenever a document finishes loading, saying &#8220;Browser does not support web word-processing (even though you can edit docs, while the page is loading).</p>
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		<title>By: wut</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2009/08/06/opera-working-on-full-android-browser/#comment-39696</link>
		<dc:creator>wut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Vince:

&quot;What makes you think Opera can make a mobile browser that properly supports Google Docs when their desktop version does not?&quot;

.

What makes you think the desktop version can&#039;t?

.

As far as I know, the reason for problems with Google Docs is that Google is specifically blocking Opera in some way. If Google would just stop blocking Opera, it would have worked fine.

.

&quot;Not to mention how far behind the competition they are with JavaScript performance.&quot;

.

Nonsense. Opera is very fast at JS. The only thing it doesn&#039;t win at is a bunch of artificial JS benchmarks that don&#039;t actually test relevant JS or real world performance. They only test whether the JS engine is using JIT and stuff like that. Opera&#039;s new JS engine will support JIT and all that nonsense, but it won&#039;t be faster on real sites because JS is not the main bottleneck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Vince:</p>
<p>&#8220;What makes you think Opera can make a mobile browser that properly supports Google Docs when their desktop version does not?&#8221;</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>What makes you think the desktop version can&#8217;t?</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>As far as I know, the reason for problems with Google Docs is that Google is specifically blocking Opera in some way. If Google would just stop blocking Opera, it would have worked fine.</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Not to mention how far behind the competition they are with JavaScript performance.&#8221;</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>Nonsense. Opera is very fast at JS. The only thing it doesn&#8217;t win at is a bunch of artificial JS benchmarks that don&#8217;t actually test relevant JS or real world performance. They only test whether the JS engine is using JIT and stuff like that. Opera&#8217;s new JS engine will support JIT and all that nonsense, but it won&#8217;t be faster on real sites because JS is not the main bottleneck.</p>
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		<title>By: wut</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2009/08/06/opera-working-on-full-android-browser/#comment-39694</link>
		<dc:creator>wut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Vince:

&quot;What makes you think Opera can make a mobile browser that properly supports Google Docs when their desktop version does not?&quot;

What makes you think the desktop version can&#039;t?

As far as I know, the reason for problems with Google Docs is that Google is specifically blocking Opera in some way. If Google would just stop blocking Opera, it would have worked fine.

&quot;Not to mention how far behind the competition they are with JavaScript performance.&quot;

Nonsense. Opera is very fast at JS. The only thing it doesn&#039;t win at is a bunch of artificial JS benchmarks that don&#039;t actually test relevant JS or real world performance. They only test whether the JS engine is using JIT and stuff like that. Opera&#039;s new JS engine will support JIT and all that nonsense, but it won&#039;t be faster on real sites because JS is not the main bottleneck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Vince:</p>
<p>&#8220;What makes you think Opera can make a mobile browser that properly supports Google Docs when their desktop version does not?&#8221;</p>
<p>What makes you think the desktop version can&#8217;t?</p>
<p>As far as I know, the reason for problems with Google Docs is that Google is specifically blocking Opera in some way. If Google would just stop blocking Opera, it would have worked fine.</p>
<p>&#8220;Not to mention how far behind the competition they are with JavaScript performance.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nonsense. Opera is very fast at JS. The only thing it doesn&#8217;t win at is a bunch of artificial JS benchmarks that don&#8217;t actually test relevant JS or real world performance. They only test whether the JS engine is using JIT and stuff like that. Opera&#8217;s new JS engine will support JIT and all that nonsense, but it won&#8217;t be faster on real sites because JS is not the main bottleneck.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Hollister</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2009/08/06/opera-working-on-full-android-browser/#comment-39347</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Hollister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One word: Steel. 

I started using Steel as my default web browser within a month of getting my G1, and I&#039;ve rarely ever looked back. It&#039;s faster and more intuitive than either Opera Mini or the revamped Cupcake original.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One word: Steel. </p>
<p>I started using Steel as my default web browser within a month of getting my G1, and I&#8217;ve rarely ever looked back. It&#8217;s faster and more intuitive than either Opera Mini or the revamped Cupcake original.</p>
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		<title>By: Morten</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2009/08/06/opera-working-on-full-android-browser/#comment-38874</link>
		<dc:creator>Morten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark wrote on August 6, 2009

“passes web data through Opera’s servers” - how would this work for countries that filter web content? Wouldn’t they end up blocking Opera’s servers?
-----------------
Opera Tubro can be turned off in any case. But then you&#039;re stuck at normal speed. D:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark wrote on August 6, 2009</p>
<p>“passes web data through Opera’s servers” &#8211; how would this work for countries that filter web content? Wouldn’t they end up blocking Opera’s servers?<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Opera Tubro can be turned off in any case. But then you&#8217;re stuck at normal speed. D:</p>
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		<title>By: Lukas Klinzing</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2009/08/06/opera-working-on-full-android-browser/#comment-38856</link>
		<dc:creator>Lukas Klinzing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont think the built in browser is quite the best one. It´s very slow, and the functionality, that if you close the browser for just few seconds, and then reopen it, that he reloads the complete page and rerender, and even rerender if you go one step back is terrible. And the possibility of going forward I miss. If you were somewhere, you want to go there again, without to have to load that page again... 

But what if opera doesnt handle tis too? I would love to try out another browsers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont think the built in browser is quite the best one. It´s very slow, and the functionality, that if you close the browser for just few seconds, and then reopen it, that he reloads the complete page and rerender, and even rerender if you go one step back is terrible. And the possibility of going forward I miss. If you were somewhere, you want to go there again, without to have to load that page again&#8230; </p>
<p>But what if opera doesnt handle tis too? I would love to try out another browsers</p>
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		<title>By: Vince</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2009/08/06/opera-working-on-full-android-browser/#comment-38813</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 03:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What makes you think Opera can make a mobile browser that properly supports Google Docs when their desktop version does not?  

Yes it loads, but there are so many bugs it&#039;s essentially unusable.  Just try adding a line break to a document and prepare for frustration.  

Not to mention how far behind the competition they are with JavaScript performance.  Opera is a nice product in many respects, but Web 2.0 is not one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What makes you think Opera can make a mobile browser that properly supports Google Docs when their desktop version does not?  </p>
<p>Yes it loads, but there are so many bugs it&#8217;s essentially unusable.  Just try adding a line break to a document and prepare for frustration.  </p>
<p>Not to mention how far behind the competition they are with JavaScript performance.  Opera is a nice product in many respects, but Web 2.0 is not one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2009/08/06/opera-working-on-full-android-browser/#comment-38758</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+1 for Eric&#039;s response...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>+1 for Eric&#8217;s response&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rahil Sondhi</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2009/08/06/opera-working-on-full-android-browser/#comment-38738</link>
		<dc:creator>Rahil Sondhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This really is great news. One of the reasons I picked my HTC Magic over an iPhone is that I&#039;m hoping for frequent software updates to the phone, like this Opera update (whenever it happens).

@johnkzin I&#039;m with Eric on this one. Why would you want the &quot;real web&quot; on your mobile browser? Through my Android browser, I use Google Reader and Google Tasks just fine. They create &quot;watered down versions&quot; for phones because phones can&#039;t render the same things computers with big engines and 22&quot; monitors can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This really is great news. One of the reasons I picked my HTC Magic over an iPhone is that I&#8217;m hoping for frequent software updates to the phone, like this Opera update (whenever it happens).</p>
<p>@johnkzin I&#8217;m with Eric on this one. Why would you want the &#8220;real web&#8221; on your mobile browser? Through my Android browser, I use Google Reader and Google Tasks just fine. They create &#8220;watered down versions&#8221; for phones because phones can&#8217;t render the same things computers with big engines and 22&#8243; monitors can.</p>
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		<title>By: Brenton</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2009/08/06/opera-working-on-full-android-browser/#comment-38727</link>
		<dc:creator>Brenton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite the fact that the UI for Opera Mini is about as useful as a one inch pencil, I use it because it&#039;s wicked fast.  Way, WAY faster than Google&#039;s browser, or anything on my friends iPhone&#039;s.  Also, when you hit back, the page doesn&#039;t have to reload, it&#039;s there, ready to be viewed.

All Opera really has to do to compete is fix the mini UI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite the fact that the UI for Opera Mini is about as useful as a one inch pencil, I use it because it&#8217;s wicked fast.  Way, WAY faster than Google&#8217;s browser, or anything on my friends iPhone&#8217;s.  Also, when you hit back, the page doesn&#8217;t have to reload, it&#8217;s there, ready to be viewed.</p>
<p>All Opera really has to do to compete is fix the mini UI.</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2009/08/06/opera-working-on-full-android-browser/#comment-38725</link>
		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Perhaps Opera can build some relationships and sign some contracts to become the&quot; ... first Android browser with a flash 10.x plugin... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Perhaps Opera can build some relationships and sign some contracts to become the&#8221; &#8230; first Android browser with a flash 10.x plugin&#8230; :)</p>
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