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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2008/08/04/google-competes-with-android-developers/#comment-12581</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I call foul on this article being anything more than baiting.

First of all, Google quite simply GAVE PedNav developers $25,000 for their hard work.  The competition was designed to advertise and showcase their OS, for which they paid good money to honest people.

Secondly, the waking directions in question are only currently available on their website, which only coincidentally is viewable on Android, but no one in their right mind would bypass the internal application for that.  This would not make it a &quot;competing&quot; product.

Thirdly, Google is not using any privileged information or access that is otherwise hidden from general developers to make their &quot;product&quot; better than the &quot;competition&quot; (Internet Explorer, anyone?).

Lastly, pedestrian navigation is as proprietary a concept as the WHILE loop.  Anyone claiming to have exclusivity to the concept would be well advised to think again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I call foul on this article being anything more than baiting.</p>
<p>First of all, Google quite simply GAVE PedNav developers $25,000 for their hard work.  The competition was designed to advertise and showcase their OS, for which they paid good money to honest people.</p>
<p>Secondly, the waking directions in question are only currently available on their website, which only coincidentally is viewable on Android, but no one in their right mind would bypass the internal application for that.  This would not make it a &ldquo;competing&rdquo; product.</p>
<p>Thirdly, Google is not using any privileged information or access that is otherwise hidden from general developers to make their &ldquo;product&rdquo; better than the &ldquo;competition&rdquo; (Internet Explorer, anyone?).</p>
<p>Lastly, pedestrian navigation is as proprietary a concept as the WHILE loop.  Anyone claiming to have exclusivity to the concept would be well advised to think again.</p>
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		<title>By: TareX</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2008/08/04/google-competes-with-android-developers/#comment-1753</link>
		<dc:creator>TareX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 00:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Enkin wins, all you need to do is flash you phone&#039;s camera around, and you&#039;ll figure out on your own how to get there.... I&#039;m talking about walking of course.

But having those Public Transit and Walking directions are magnificent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Enkin wins, all you need to do is flash you phone&rsquo;s camera around, and you&rsquo;ll figure out on your own how to get there&hellip;. I&rsquo;m talking about walking of course.</p>
<p>But having those Public Transit and Walking directions are magnificent.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2008/08/04/google-competes-with-android-developers/#comment-1724</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google and Nokia were already working on optimizing their maps and routes for walking since the WMC in Barcelona. I think Nokia has this implemented already too, so did they steal it as well then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google and Nokia were already working on optimizing their maps and routes for walking since the WMC in Barcelona. I think Nokia has this implemented already too, so did they steal it as well then?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2008/08/04/google-competes-with-android-developers/#comment-1723</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 10:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always thought PedNav uses Google Transit APIs in the background, so, basically, what so surprising for Google adding in the their own functionality to mobile  Google Maps - it&#039;s logical and very much expected. With regards to walking directions - Google Maps have walking directions for ages, they just brought it to mobile - also very much expected. I guess the power of PedNav is about creating activities and then providing those directions and transport recommendations only when they&#039;re really needed as well as answering on &quot;am I likely to get there in time?&quot; type of queries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always thought PedNav uses Google Transit APIs in the background, so, basically, what so surprising for Google adding in the their own functionality to mobile  Google Maps &ndash; it&rsquo;s logical and very much expected. With regards to walking directions &ndash; Google Maps have walking directions for ages, they just brought it to mobile &ndash; also very much expected. I guess the power of PedNav is about creating activities and then providing those directions and transport recommendations only when they&rsquo;re really needed as well as answering on &ldquo;am I likely to get there in time?&rdquo; type of queries.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey S</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2008/08/04/google-competes-with-android-developers/#comment-1722</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this was somewhat covered in the legal stuff we all agreed to when we submitted:

&quot;You acknowledge and understand that Google and/or members of the Open Handset Alliance may independently develop applications that may be similar to or identical to your Entry in terms of theme, idea, function, or in other respects. You agree that you will not be entitled to any rights in, or compensation in connection with, any such similar or identical applications and/or ideas. You acknowledge that you have submitted your Entry voluntarily and not in confidence or in trust.&quot;

http://code.google.com/android/adc-submit/tandc.html

the interesting, ambiguous word here being &quot;independently.&quot;  and with software patents recently starting to fade away (see coverage on /.), this opens the door even wider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this was somewhat covered in the legal stuff we all agreed to when we submitted:</p>
<p>&ldquo;You acknowledge and understand that Google and/or members of the Open Handset Alliance may independently develop applications that may be similar to or identical to your Entry in terms of theme, idea, function, or in other respects. You agree that you will not be entitled to any rights in, or compensation in connection with, any such similar or identical applications and/or ideas. You acknowledge that you have submitted your Entry voluntarily and not in confidence or in trust.&rdquo;</p>
<p><a href="http://code.google.com/android/adc-submit/tandc.html" rel="nofollow">http://code.google.com/android/adc-submit/tandc.html</a></p>
<p>the interesting, ambiguous word here being &ldquo;independently.&rdquo;  and with software patents recently starting to fade away (see coverage on /.), this opens the door even wider.</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2008/08/04/google-competes-with-android-developers/#comment-1721</link>
		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>on word: duh.  if you don&#039;t think google hasn&#039;t been planning walking directions across their entire maps line of interfaces, you are a fool.  if you are banking your strategy on this one feature, you are a fool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on word: duh.  if you don&rsquo;t think google hasn&rsquo;t been planning walking directions across their entire maps line of interfaces, you are a fool.  if you are banking your strategy on this one feature, you are a fool.</p>
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		<title>By: phandroid.com</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2008/08/04/google-competes-with-android-developers/#comment-1720</link>
		<dc:creator>phandroid.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mark

I LOVE your example of getting &quot;in the path of an oncoming train&quot;. Not only is it funny... even if the pun was unintended... but its right on the money.

I agree that anyone could see Google making these &quot;Line Extensions&quot;. The AndroidScan comparison might seem like a stretch now... but over time, I think its the type of thing that will happen at some point. Android and Google&#039;s other ventures are creating so many relationships on every side of many industries that they won&#039;t be able to prevent/avoid stepping on toes in some major ways.

Just ask Verizon. I&#039;m sure there will be others... it would be interesting to see if the folks at PedNav could weigh in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mark</p>
<p>I LOVE your example of getting &ldquo;in the path of an oncoming train&rdquo;. Not only is it funny&hellip; even if the pun was unintended&hellip; but its right on the money.</p>
<p>I agree that anyone could see Google making these &ldquo;Line Extensions&rdquo;. The AndroidScan comparison might seem like a stretch now&hellip; but over time, I think its the type of thing that will happen at some point. Android and Google&rsquo;s other ventures are creating so many relationships on every side of many industries that they won&rsquo;t be able to prevent/avoid stepping on toes in some major ways.</p>
<p>Just ask Verizon. I&rsquo;m sure there will be others&hellip; it would be interesting to see if the folks at PedNav could weigh in.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Murphy</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2008/08/04/google-competes-with-android-developers/#comment-1719</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s competing, and then there&#039;s competing.

Your example of walking and transit directions are logical &quot;line extensions&quot; of Google&#039;s existing driving directions, akin to Procter &amp; Gamble developing Tide-brand &quot;stain sticks&quot; to extend their existing line of laundry detergent. I don&#039;t view this so much as &quot;overlapping competition between Google and application developers&quot; as application developers who consciously decided to get in the path of an oncoming train.

Now, take an app like Android Scan. That would be much more of a stretch to consider as a logical extension of something Google already has -- the closest thing would be Google Shopping (the old Froogle). If Google decided to build their own Scan equivalent, *that* might well qualify as competing with their developers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&rsquo;s competing, and then there&rsquo;s competing.</p>
<p>Your example of walking and transit directions are logical &ldquo;line extensions&rdquo; of Google&rsquo;s existing driving directions, akin to Procter &amp; Gamble developing Tide-brand &ldquo;stain sticks&rdquo; to extend their existing line of laundry detergent. I don&rsquo;t view this so much as &ldquo;overlapping competition between Google and application developers&rdquo; as application developers who consciously decided to get in the path of an oncoming train.</p>
<p>Now, take an app like Android Scan. That would be much more of a stretch to consider as a logical extension of something Google already has &mdash; the closest thing would be Google Shopping (the old Froogle). If Google decided to build their own Scan equivalent, *that* might well qualify as competing with their developers.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://phandroid.com/2008/08/04/google-competes-with-android-developers/#comment-1718</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walking directions are something provided by most personal navigation devices, especially those meant to be handheld/mobile. Expect to see google do a whole lot more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walking directions are something provided by most personal navigation devices, especially those meant to be handheld/mobile. Expect to see google do a whole lot more.</p>
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